what would you do in a stick up situation?

Do most stick-ups end in fatalities?
No, they do not. In fact the huge majority of armed robberies of all type end without the BG causing any major physical harm to anyone. The most common reason for violence to erupt at an armed robbery is the victims not complying.
 
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I agree with that but not when they're walking away. Bullets in the back makes YOU the criminal.

Obviously, and I agree. If someone turns and runs away though after robbing me my CCW is out, and aimed. If they turn back around then I can only assume it's to do something bad to me... The plus side is none of my shots will hit them in the back...
 
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Obviously, and I agree. If someone turns and runs away though after robbing me my CCW piece is out, and aimed. If they turn back around then I can only assume it's to do something bad to me... The plus side is none of my shots will hit them in the back...

Can't argue with that.
 
sweep twist to the left and at the same time drop down loooow....now facing your opponet, grap him/her behind the kneees and pull the legs out from underneath them.........next reach into your bag of groceries that you had been carrying and grab the can of mixxed vegetables in your right hand and quickly and firmly bring it in contact with the opponets vital area.........then jump to your feet , look down at the opponet and scream i win ha ha:p
 
Good one vytoland! I like that hahaha! I have another thing realistic but funny. Call me weird but yes i do conceal a 460 S&W Magnum 5" barrel. I do belive if i was in that situation i would make the attempt to pull my gun on him and even if the bullet missed im sure that the shock and muzzle flash would knock him out and or incinerate him. PROBLEM SOLVED!!!

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SN Fuller
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(#1) I never park where it is dark when I go shopping. Well lighted areas only. If one is not available I will find another store to stop into.

(#2) If a BG does happen to get the drop on me then I agree to give them what they want - they want my wallet I'll give it to them. Being that I am aware of my surroundings I will drop it trying to act as nervous as possible to distract them ever so much. If I am able to distract so I can get to my 1911, then I will. But I will NOT if I am not sure I will "win".

I'm not the cowboy or hero mentality kind of concealed carry person. If I am not 100% sure that I will "win" in the outcome, the BG can have all of my stuff - I may drop everything they want until.............................

Give the person whatever items they wanted. If they wanted my life...Krav Maga.

Lichtenfeld's methods are sound / solid - but you need to know what you are doing - do you practice?
 
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since when does a theif "ask" for your goods? haha i think when he says start peelin, its a bit more of a life or death demand


you also have to take into consideration you CCW holders and carriers, that he could have his gun on you, search you, and find your. now your helpless
 
you also have to take into consideration you CCW holders and carriers, that he could have his gun on you, search you, and find your. now your helpless

Absolutely positively. That's why situational awareness is key and we should all work our best at achieving it. We had this conversation in a recent thread. When somebody pokes a gun in your back you have VERY few options and none of them are very good.
 
"Do most stick-ups end in fatalities?"

"No, they do not. In fact the huge majority of armed robberies of all type end without the BG causing any major physical harm to anyone. The most common reason for violence to erupt at an armed robbery is the victims not complying."

Sadly, there is no guarantee that your attacker will not kill you even though you fully complied with his requests. Although not common, it does happen. I work in Minneapolis, and about a year and a half ago here a family was exiting a restaurant when two men robbed them at gunpoint and demanded the mother's purse. If I remeber correctly, the adult son told his mom to give them the purse, and when she did, the son was shot anyway. He died from his wounds. The police did arrest them after a couple days, but it goes to show that you are at their mercy if they get the drop on you.
 
Sadly, there is no guarantee that your attacker will not kill you even though you fully complied with his requests.

There are never any guarantees. Fighting back doesn't guarantee success. It's not about guarantees, it's about maximizing your chances of walking away. Sometimes that means cooperating, sometimes it means shooting. Situations like this are unique and dynamic. No action is correct for every situation or even from one second to the next. All we can do is read the tea leaves and act accordingly.
 
Sadly, there is no guarantee that your attacker will not kill you even though you fully complied with his requests.
There are no guarantees, just probabilities. If you start shooting at someone who has a gun, the probability that you will be shot at is fairly high. If you do not start shooting the probability that you will be shot at goes down quite a bit.
 
next reach into your bag of groceries that you had been carrying and grab the can of mixxed vegetables in your right hand and quickly and firmly bring it in contact with the opponets vital area.........

And dent mama's Veg-All? I don't think so...

You could always use your ninja-like skills to take his gun away. Hey, it works on TV.
 
SA, SA, And SA!!!
I had a buddy that was held up outside a "gentlemen's club" near closing time. He tells me the story and then finishes with, "If I woulda had my...." I stopped him cold and finished the setence for him... "... just put a snubby nose .38 in a crooks hands." It does no good to be armed and unaware. I swiftly delivered elbow shot to their snot locker should it happen to me but first you have to get thru my personal defense zone to rob me.
Brent
 
It is true that one cannot describe every detail and circumstance of any hypthetical senario. Taking just the information that you have said my answer is this:

In a split second I have to make the a decision. I can either surrender or fight. Fleeing in such a senario isn't really an option. No matter what I do the outcome will be that I will either live or I will die.

I will very calmly tell the BG something like this: "I'll give you everything. You don't have to shoot me, it's not worth it. I'll give you everything and I'll go home and you'll walk away with my money and valuables. I'm going to reach down and give you my wallet"

At this point I slowly move my right hand down to my wallet. Once my hand is as close to my weapon as it can be without letting the BG know it's there I explode with movement. I quicly turn to and move to the right, knocking his weapon to the left with my elbow or arm. With my left hand and/or one of my legs I push and/or kick him as far away as possible while drawing my firearm. I immediately take aim. If I have time I tell him something like "Drop the gun or I'll shoot you and kill you." If he doesn't do as I tell him to, or as soon as the muzzle on his gun begins to move in my direction, or if he makes any kind of movement I take as hostile, I open fire. I shoot until his gun contacts the ground or I run out of ammo.

That's the best answer I can give. I don't surrender to his threat because of three main reasons:

1. If he gets my gun that will only give one more BG the means to kill an innocent person. I'd die to keep that from happening.

2. He's a BG and I'm really sick and tired of BG's. I really wish I lived in a world where I didn't feel the need to have a firearm. I wouldn't have guns if none of the BG's had them.

3. I've defended myself from lethal force using hand to hand combat before. I know exactly how I react in such situations and I feel cofident I can take the average BG quick enough and long enough to pull my weapon. If the BG is close that close to me, he's close enough for me to engage him and I believe that because of my experiences and training I have the upper hand in that situation.

I'll be the first to admit that if the BG were to engage me using tactics that gave him the upper hand, and if I believed he would shoot me if I resisted and would let me live if I didn't, I would gladly hand over whatever he wanted. Until it came to my gun that is. I am a firm believer I am responsible for all of the firearms that I own, and every single bullet that goes through it's barrel. The only way to relinquish that responsibility is to transfer ownership of the firearm to someone who I believe to be just as mature and responsible as I am (another good guy). I'll die trying to keep my guns out of the hands of rapists, murderers, etc.
 
In Ohio we're not allowed to use deadly force to protect property. Drawing your gun could make the guy mad (because you're not following the rules). He might even sue you for turning a simple exchange of property into an actual gunfight...

You have to protect the property between your ears. Gotta love the legal system. You would probably get more time than him even if he has 4 other felony convictions. Prosecutor would negatively skew it because the BG was outgunned with his Pheonix .25 and you had your "man killing" .45 auto that will be claimed was overkill for personal defense.
 
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