What the heck

mikejonestkd 21 minutes,,, DARN, not a record but DARN:mad:;)
Thanks for finding that article, I really wanted to see how that thing worked.
671 Landstad revolver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstad_revolver
The Landstad revolver was an automatic revolver of Norwegian origin. The weapon had an unusual feeding device that used both a 2 round cylinder and a grip inserted magazine.[1]
It was chambered for the 7.5mm Nagant cartridge, which at the time of the creation of the Landstad was also used in the Swedish Mod. 1887 and Norwegian Mod. 1893 Nagant revolvers.[1]
History[edit]
The revolver design was patented in 1899 by Halvard Landstad, from Kristiana (now known as Oslo). Landstad designed the revolver with his own money and presented it to military trials in 1901.[2] The gun never went into production because the revolver failed in the trials, but the inventor kept a prototype of the gun. It was donated to the British NRA after the inventor's death in 1955. In 1977 the revolver was sold in an auction.[2]
 
As far as two, That was a question since I have no idea.
What was the second????
There were a few revolvers with safeties in the last decade of the 1800s, many of them copies of the Webley constabulary revolver (so I say that all the copies count as the original). Some of the Italian Bodeo revolver also had a safety.

And of course, let's not forget the Webley-Fosbury revolver, although it was not a single action revolver.
 
at a guess model 1907?
And sgms you would be correct.

6711 Dreyse M1907
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_M1907
The Dreyse Model 1907 is a semi-automatic pistol designed by Louis Schmeisser. The gun was named after Nikolaus von Dreyse, the designer of the Dreyse Needle Gun. The Waffenfabrik von Dreyse company was acquired by Rheinische Metallwaren & Maschinenfabrik Sömmerda in 1901, although the Dreyse Model pistols were marketed under the Dreyse name.
The pistol had an interesting feature for the time: when the gun was ready to fire, the firing pin projected through the back of the breech block, serving as an early handgun-cocking indicator. For cleaning, the frame, receiver and slide pivoted forward on a pin in front of the trigger guard. The pistol and its derivatives (Dreyse Model 1907 Pocket Pistol, Dreyse Model 1912 Parabellum) was of simple blowback recoil operation, though of unusual design.[2]
The same company also manufactured a 6.35 mm pocket version (also named Model 1907). In 1912 the 9 mm Parabellum Dreyse Model 1912 emerged as the gun's successor. Marked as the RM & M Dreyse, it was chambered for 9 mm Parabellum.
Despite the gun's limited production time, the gun is relatively common today, in large part due to its use by Volkssturm and Volksgrenadier late in World War II, enabling many Allied servicemen to bring examples home as war trophies.[3]
 
That Landstad is a thing of steam punky beauty. I thought I was up on early auto loaders, but that's a new one on me.
 
mikejonestkd "but got lucky again>" luck or smarts you got that one.

670 Shevchenko PSh-4
http://aegisacademy.com/facts/the-shevchenko-pistol/
The Shevchenko Pistol
Aug 17, 2015 by Anna Johnson in
The Shevchenko Pistol
Shevchenko PSh-4 pistol is an actual firearm. Designed and built in the Ukraine, Russia’s version of the dirty south, it is something of the ugly pistol messiah. A 15-shot 9×18 Makarov gun that incorporates oddball features from other guns, many of which you will also probably never see in real life. Bad news is it uses the same action as the 1900-period Gabbet-Fairfax “Mars” pistol, and we all know how successful that was. Combine this with all of the styling of your favorite $15 Marksman air pistol and there you go. And yes, it does have two triggers.
The Shevchenko used a two-stage feed system, borrowed from the 1900-period Gabbet-Fairfax “Mars” pistol of British origin. This system, in which the cartridge is first pulled back from the magazine and placed on a lifter, then raised inline with the barrel and fed forward and into the chamber, was necessary because of the elongated barrel, which protruded back into the action. To further complicate the construction, its designer Shevchenko used a very rare gas-operated locking system first (and probably last) used in a WW2-era prototype Horn assault rifle from Germany. This system employs two small gas pistons that are forced by gas pressure sideways from the frame and into locking recesses in the slide. Another strange feature was a hand-cocking device, probably taken from HK P7 pistol, but in a twist – instead of full-hand cocking lever PSh employed some form of a second trigger, located below the “primary” trigger and used to cock the striker when pressed by one middle finger. If you still not have enough of this design, it also had a ribbed, aluminium jacket on the barrel, and a very special sort of slide stop, that locked slide open once there was ONE cartridge left in the gun. The claimed purpose of this arrangement was to allow shooter to make its “deliberate last shot” – in its own head, probably. Not surprisingly, this weapon, “available” in 9×18 PM, 9×19 and .45 ACP, never went past magazine pages, and probably, a handful of prototypes.
 
:D An hour, a hole hour it lasted mapsjanhere

607 Armalite AR 5 Survival Rifle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armalite_AR-5
The Armalite AR-5 is a lightweight bolt-action rifle, chambered for the .22 Hornet cartridge, and adopted as the MA-1 aircrew survival rifle by the United States Air Force. It was developed by ArmaLite, a division of Fairchild Engine and Airplane Corporation in 1954.
History[edit]
The U.S. Air Force needed a compact, lightweight, accurate rifle for the new XB-70 manned bomber aircrew's survival kits.[2] Since the M4 and M6 aircrew survival weapons were no longer in manufacture, the Air Force put out a request for a new survival weapon. Shortly after Fairchild established the ArmaLite division in 1954, ArmaLite designed and submitted the AR-5 in response. The Air Force officially adopted the AR-5 as the MA-1 in 1956.[3] However, the Air Force never received funding to buy more than the original 12 test models due to the cancellation of the XB-70 fleet which left the number of M4 and M6 aircrew survival weapons already in inventory sufficient for existing Air Force needs.[2][4][5] Adoption of the MA-1 established ArmaLite as a recognized firearms company, leading to several other rifle designs of varying success (e.g., the AR-7, AR-10 and AR-15).[4]
The earlier M6 Aircrew Survival Weapon is a superposed ("over-under") break action combination gun with a .22 Hornet single-shot rifle barrel over a .410 shotgun barrel. While there is versatility to such a combination, the AR-5's detachable box magazine fed bolt action has the advantage of rapid fire capability. The AR-5, like the M4 Survival Rifle and M6 US Air Force survival rifles, used the .22 Hornet cartridge which has 2.3 times the muzzle velocity and 7 times the energy of the common .22 Long Rifle (when comparing 40 gr bullets), and yet still has a light recoil.
Designed to be stowed in cramped aircraft cockpits, the rifle was made from lightweight plastics and aluminum alloys. The AR-5 was unique for being able to be disassembled with all working parts stored within the stock. When stowed in this manner, the rifle was able to float.[6]
Armalite used the research and tooling for the AR-5/MA-1 to develop the Armalite AR-7, an eight-shot semi-automatic rifle chambered for the .22 Long Rifle cartridge. Released in 1959 as a civilian survival weapon and in continuous production since then, the AR-7 is related to the AR-5 in terms of its overall layout, and retains the same modular takedown, storage in stock, and the ability to float.[3]
608 Marble Game Getter
 
Something slightly different.:rolleyes:
This is from some research I was doing the other night that really surprised me.
I think most will recognize what this is and how it works.
With that little information other than it was one of the first designed and first used in battle.
1. What country designed it.
2. What year was it brought to service
3. and what tank used one of these types.
 

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Armor piercing, whatever it is. That is a solid core AP round. They were developed by the British late in ww2.
 
That's a British WW II era 17-pound quick fire (77mm) shell, specifically an APDS round -- armor piercing discarding sabot.

The 77mm was the primary armament on the British Firefly variation of the M4 Sherman as well as on a number of British tanks, such as the Challenger and, at the end of the war, as a modified gun, in the Comet, and the British modification of the M 10 tank destroyer, the Achilles.

It was also fielded as a carriage mounted anti-tank gun.

It first saw use in early 1943, and quickly established itself as the best general anti-tank gun the Western Allies had.
 
Mike got that one answering most of the questions first.
I was surprised that the first sabot round was designed by the French which did field the gun. But since the armistice happened early in 40 luckly the designer was evacuated to England.
But the British were the first to field it in a tank. One article said that it was the only round that could reliably penetrate a Panther tank on the sloped front armor where as all other 74 would barely make a dent like the Sherman.



1000 British Sabot tank round from WW2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armour-piercing_discarding_sabot
Armour-piercing discarding sabot
Armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS) is a type of kinetic energy projectile fired from a rifled-barrel gun to attack armoured targets. APDS rounds are sabot rounds, firing a spin-stabilized armor penetrating sub-projectile, and were commonly used in large calibre tank guns, up until the early 1980s, but have now been superseded by armour-piercing, fin-stabilised, discarding sabot (APFSDS) projectiles used in smooth-bore guns, firing a fin-stabilized armor penetrating sub-projectile.[1] However, APDS rounds are still commonly used in small or medium calibre weapon systems. For a given calibre, this type of ammunition can effectively double the armour penetration of a gun, compared to those firing armour-piercing (AP), armour-piercing, capped (APC), or armour-piercing, capped, ballistic capped (APCBC) projectiles. The saboted light armour penetrator (SLAP) concept applies this technology to small arms calibres.
History and development[edit]
APDS was developed by engineers working for the French Edgar Brandt company, and was fielded in two calibers (75 mm/57 mm for the Mle1897/33 75 mm anti-tank cannon, 37 mm/25 mm for several 37 mm gun types) just before the French-German armistice of 1940.[2] The Edgar Brandt engineers, having been evacuated to the United Kingdom, joined ongoing APDS development efforts there, culminating in significant improvements to the concept and its realisation.The APDS projectile type was further developed in the United Kingdom between 1941–1944 by Permutter and Coppock, two designers with the Armaments Research Department. In mid-1944 the APDS projectile was first introduced into service for the UK's QF 6 pounder anti-tank gun and later in September 1944 for the QF 17 pounder anti-tank gun.[3]
The reason for the development of the APDS was the search for anti-tank projectiles with increased penetrating performance. It was known that high impact (terminal) velocity, or a larger diameter projectile would be required to improve penetration. A larger projectile would require a completely new weapon system and may have been too heavy to retrofit onto existing armoured fighting vehicles. Increasing the velocity of the current projectiles was also a problem due to the impact velocity limitations of steel armour-piercing (AP) projectiles, which would shatter at velocities above ~850 m/s when uncapped.
To allow increased impact velocity, a stronger penetrator material was required. The chosen new penetrator material was tungsten carbide (WC), due to its greater hardness and its ability to withstand the greater shock and pressure generated during a higher velocity impact. As the density of WC (≈15.7 g/cm³) is twice that of steel (≈7.86 g/cm³), such a shot was too heavy at full bore to be accelerated to a sufficient muzzle velocity. To overcome this, a lightweight full diameter carrier shell was developed to sheathe the inner high density core. The name given to this projectile type was the Armour-Piercing Composite Rigid (APCR). The APCR projectile was about half the weight of a standard AP shot, but of the same diameter. Due to the large surface area for the gases to impinge upon the lightweight APCR projectile, it experienced a higher average acceleration in the gun barrel, in turn imparting a higher muzzle velocity. Unfortunately the low sectional density of the APCR resulted in poor carrying power (high aerodynamic drag), losing velocity and penetration rapidly over distance.
To overcome these limitations the British devised a way for the outer sheath to be discarded after leaving the bore. The name given to the discarded outer sheath was the sabot (a French word for a wooden shoe). For APDS projectiles the sabot is also known as a pot, as the sabot resembles a flower pot in shape. The APDS has the advantages of the lightweight projectile with regards to bore acceleration and high muzzle velocity, but does not suffer from the high drag of the APCR in flight.
Sabot construction[edit]
The sabot of a large calibre APDS consists of a light high strength alloy full diameter pot and base unit, which is screwed together. The front part of the pot has 3-4 petals (sabots) which are covered with a centering band (often a nylon derivative). The rear half has a rubber obturator and driving band (again nylon) held in place by the screw-in base unit. The base unit, if a tracer element is attached to the sub-projectile, has a hole located at the centre. Before firing, the sub-projectile and sabot are locked together. Due to the high setback forces (g's), friction between the pot and sub-projectile allows spin to be transferred, thus stabilising the sub-projectile. Small/medium calibre APDS use a lightweight high strength alloy base pot and three or more plastic petals. To transfer the spin to the core in small/medium calibre weapons, the core tends to have a notch at its base. Under bore acceleration, which can be higher than 100,000 g, the uneven base is forced into the softer pot material, locking the sub-projectile to the pot and imparting spin. Not all small/medium calibre APDS rely on this technique, another method for spin coupling is by using the forward plastic petals. The petals are of a slightly larger diameter than the lands in the rifled bore. This forces the petals tightly against the core, increasing the friction between them and allowing the spin to be transferred.
Sub-projectile construction[edit]
The sub-projectile consists of a high density core with a penetrating cap, enclosed within a high strength sheath (steel) with a lightweight alloy (aluminum-magnesium alloy) ballistic cap. For modern small/medium calibre APDS projectiles, the core is not sheathed and the ballistic and penetrating caps are combined. A tracer element may be added to the APDS sub-projectile, for large calibre weapons this is part of the outer sheath, for small/medium calibre weapons it is contained within a hollow cavity in, or attached to, the base of the core. Most modern APDS projectiles used high strength shock resistant tungsten alloys. The main constituent is tungsten, alloyed or sintered with/to cobalt, copper, iron or nickel. Very few APDS use depleted uranium (DU) titanium alloy for the penetrator material, though the retired 20 mm MK149-2 Phalanx round did use DU.
Sabot discard[edit]
When a large calibre APDS is fired and while still within the bore, the setback forces shear the forward petals, partly unlocking the sub-projectile from the sabot, but still holding it rigidly within the pot. Gas pressure is used to delay the unlocking of the pins holding the rear part of the sub-projectile by gyroscopic forces. Once outside the barrel, the pins, centering band and forward petals are released or discarded by projectile spin, the aerodynamic drag removes the pot/base unit. As an APDS sub-projectile does not require driving bands and the core is supported at the base and ogive region, a far more aerodynamic projectile shape can be chosen. This, in combination with the sub-projectiles’ higher sectional density, gives the resulting sub-projectile vastly reduced aerodynamic drag in comparison to the APCR. Both the higher initial velocity and the reduced drag result in high velocity at impact. This also lowers flight time and improves accuracy. Accuracy can suffer if there are unwanted sabot/sub-projectile interactions during discard.
 
1: Name including model
2: How designed it (company)
3: When was it designed?
4: What was its primary intended use (not just survival rifle?)
 

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1. M4 bolt action survival rifle, 22 hornet
2. H&R designed it, and it was made in Quebec, CA
3. WWII - used afterwards as well into the 50s
4. Primarily a survival/ hunting rifle for downed pilots.
 
"I was surprised that the first sabot round was designed by the French."

Sabot is French for shoe, originally a wooden shoe.

From sabot we supposedly get the word sabotage, which described the act when said French peasants, worried that the new machines of the industrial revolution would render them jobless, would chuck their sabots into the machines.

Neat story, but I don't think its verifiable.


I never knew that the first successful sabot was developed by the Brandt company.

Tidbit... Brandt engineers, in the years between World War I and II, developed 60 and 81mm mortar prototypes that were modified and adopted by something like half the combatants in World War II, including the United States.
 
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