What the heck is it with these people!

The main problem I see with just letting people be victims is that victims draw criminals just like sugar draws ants. If you live in an area like San Francisco or a college campus where guns are illegal, there are tons of willing victims and you are in more danger of being taken for one of them.

Of course the flipside is that looking like you might put up abit of a fight makes you not worth the effort with so many willing victims around...
 
Never run....

Keep going. don't get all fanatical, but stick with it. The worse thing you could do for these folks is walk away. Yes, most will stay in their own little world and you can't 'convert' them. But, being absent, will give them more ammo to show that they 'got rid of the gun nut.'

I consider myself a gun tottin' liberal. Makes me one of the minority too.... just like the false impression that all gun owners are dumb rednecks.... nothing is black and white. I bet a lot of gun folks would think all gay men are whimps... Anybody that has ever walked into a gay bar just once would know better....
 
jcims wrote "If i had to guess, i would say that many of them equate guns with rednecks. And, i'm no history scholar, but it seems to me rednecks don't have a great history with Blacks, Jews, and Gays."

The original meaning of Redneck was disparagement. It indicated a poorly educated, bigoted, unhygienic, and often incestuous person, or group of persons. It was a discriminatory term used by people who seperated themselves from the "masses". Today, the term Redneck has been diluted to mean just about anything. As far as Blacks, Jews, and Gays go, it didn't require being a Redneck to to "not have a great history with".

Rednecks represented the same social virulence applied to others as anything that was done to the more mainstream minorities.:)

There are people to whom the world isn't real. Bad things always happen to someone else. Many of them go through their lives, and nothing happens to them to change their minds. To those whom reality intrudes upon their meaningless existence, they are treated like any other animal in the herd that falls prey to a predator. So sad, too bad, glad it wasn't me.:eek:
 
I agree with the general gist that some folks are unable to make a decision to actively defend themselves and prefer the more passive preventive or defensive measures. Why that is, is very complex.

However, I will take some offense at

Why the hell do Blacks, Jews, and Gays fight so hard against gun ownership when they have gone through hell either by countries, states, or others?
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Blanket statements like that are incorrect and contribute to offensive stereotyping. I, for one, know gay women who are confirmed gun nuts. My IDPA matches are a good proportion of African Americans and I work many who are gun types. Being Jewish - I'm certainly a shooter. At the range, a week ago, i ran into someone I didn't know but from my old neighborhood in NYC. We were both Glock 19 shooting. At an IDPA match, I ran into a squad of Jewish AF MDs from a local base.

It may be the case the correlation of politics has something to do with. Please read on the articles in my Sig below. The correlation of right wing crap that is bigoted with gun ownership is unfortunate but has some truth. That attitude may convince minorities that the gun world is not the place for them.

We can work against it but blanket statements like above just contribute to bad attitudes.

Many battered women have problems with male violence. They see gun ownership as correlated with that violence and thus don't want to be associated with it. As gun owners, we say that is silly but it is naive not to understand it and have some kind of hissy fit about it.

Less confrontational methodologies work. There are several good books by feminist oriented folks on guns and self defense. That would work better than expecting someone just victimized to embrace a call for more violence. That's naive.
 
Wow, Usp, that stinks. You had it right, IMO.

Your description of their attitude does not surprise me. Most people I have known who attend similar groups (GLBT, communist groups, etc) had some kind of utopian vision for what the world should be and what the human condition is (i.e. lions should lay down with lambs and people are never naturally evil), and most consider violence itself to be the definition of what is wrong. Also, as boofus mentioned there is often a culture of empowerment through victimhood.

Your statement offends all these ideas. By stating that guns can be useful you testify that (1) there are acceptable and justifiable uses for violence because (2) there are evil people in the world who will prey on others, so (3) it is best if people accept the reality of the world we live in, take responsibility for themselves, and ditch the mentality of being a victim.

Way to step up, man. Maybe you could have phrased it a little better than "blown his balls off" (I wish I could have been there to see that), but still, way to go. Don't let these people get you down.
 
i cant believe you admitted going to glbt!
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Gay people do that sometimes
what kinda site is this?
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The kind that doesn't subscribe to juvenile prejudice against people for their personal; dating habits.
Well most of us
The original meaning of Redneck was disparagement. It indicated a poorly educated, bigoted, unhygienic, and often incestuous person, or group of persons. It was a discriminatory term used by people who seperated themselves from the "masses".
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Actually the original meaning of Redneck was Scottish Presbyterian
 
A lot of people seem to prefer 'victimhood' to taking responsibility for their own lives. taking responsibilty is proactive, being a victim is passive [and it's not my fault . . . ].:barf:

These people are lazy and parasitic, often liberal elitist bliss-ninnies or wannbees who won't accept the fact that life ain't fair. They think that if they pass enough laws and have enough 'progams', they can obviate this fact. It's easier to whine and grovel and make excuses rather than taking charge of their lives and working to make it the best they can. A lot of 'minorities' claim that their 'difference' is a handicap, and they're 'entitled' . . . . they don't want to e treated equally, they're 'special' and want special consideration (e.g. "hate crimes") and treatment, screw fair play and equality.

I'm all for fair play, true equal opportunity, and a civil society, but 'those people' make me sick.
 
It would suck if somebody triple dog dared you to prove it!...
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??? What?:confused:
USS Ogden LPD-5 2001-2005
Two western pacific deployments, including operation enduring freedom, operation iraqi freedom, operation cobalt blue, operation poison spectre.
What did you serve in?

i cant believe you admitted going to glbt!
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Grow up man, before staff gets wind of you. You don't have to agree with someone's personal habits, but live and let live or be labled a biggot.:barf:
 
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It would suck if somebody triple dog dared you to prove it!...


??? What?
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Glock
Never mind, as I said before I have a "broken" sense of humor. I was refering to the willing to fight to the death comment that I had made earlier and then the comment that you were willing to fight for peoples rights also.

Anywho please ignore it, it was just a bad joke that did not work.
 
Gez, man...you's guys got into it.

A triple dog dare? If my memory of "A Christmas Story" is correct...nothing beats that.

As for the comment about the pink pistol. I almost won a custom built AR-15 a few years back and one of the choices for the color of the stock was pink. I was going to get it for my wife.

Back to subject...about "most of these groups having a vision of a Utopia and everybody loving one another and most folks are good." I have that vision too and I firmly believe most people are good and kind. I think very few folks are bad or evil... most criminals are just stupid and misfortunate and with help can be productive citizens.. but before y'all jump to high and hot I believe they need to be punished according to what they did. Prison and rehab together. With that said, there are people out there that are evil.. some 'groups' don't realize this. I've only met two or three in my 48 years...but these people are a waste of the life force and should be put down. They are no better than a rabid dog.. I like dogs...but if one is sick and a danger to others... shoot it, put it down and get on with making a better world for the rest.

Like I said before ...keep going to the meetings. The absolute worse thing you can do is retreat.
 
First, I'm not offended by the one poster and his views. Those people don't bother me anylonger.

Sir,

Wayne, were there LEOs called and then you were escorted off campus?
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No, I voluntarily left but was followed out. I was legally carrying (and even if I wasn't) and wanted to show that I was the more responsible party, not going into hysterics or emotion. I was very polite to the folks (they were administrators for the college) and even said Thank You for allowing me the time that I had to pass out the PP lit.

Did they act under the colour of authority?
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Yes but I'm sure they weren't aware of the law. Another student, hearing about this, bought up a lawsuit (he made it known that he carried also) but then graduated and dropped the suit. But the college did change their illegal policy and then got with the other universites and with Jenny Burdick to try to pass a law. It didn't even get out of committe :D.

I imagine though that weapons are ILLEGAL on campus.
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Not in Oregon. CCW holders are allowed to carry on any type of school grounds via State law, now the federal still holds but unless there is a fed around, you don't have to worry. Also, Colleges are different from K-12 as they are a state run organization and not a federal run organization.

I suggest you return to your GLBT meeting and go UNARMED
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The meeting is at night and I won't leave the gun attended in the car. Crime is quite rampant in that neighborhood so I refuse to lock up my protection. As for being "unofficially" asked not to return, they can't block me from doing so, one of the rules for any college club/organization is that it has open membership and cannot exclude anyone (unless they are bashing, violent).

No, I'm going to show them that I am a responsible person and that any gun that I have on me isn't going to jump out and do anything. They don't know that I carry but I just figure that they guessed. Also, I think a few people were interested in the concept but were afraid to say anything. I did get a few curious looks and a few hmmmm looks and I would be doing a disservice if I didn't give them an oppurtunity to ask questions in private discussion.

I can't give up on folks, I was just upset on Friday but I've gotten a clear head now.

Wayne
 
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