What the heck is it with these people!

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USP45usp

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I don't know, I think that I'm just going to give up with certain groups of people when it comes to guns, gun ownership, and the best tool for defense (as in trying to tell them about it).

How can people be so freakin' stupid? Geez louis I'm freakin' pissed off right now. I don't know if I should just sit back and just tell them, okay, fine, whatever, don't come crying to me attitude.

I went to the montly GLBT meeting at the college and one of the women there had been raped over the holidays. Everyone was like "how horrible" and "what did you do" and such.

What did she do, she blew on a whisle until the rapist hit her in the mouth, threw away the whisle, and continued his merrymet. He then beat the crap out of her and then walked (not run) away.

I sat there and listened, and then I became the bad guy (to them) when I had the audacity to say, "you should have had a gun and blown his balls off".

Folks, I became more hated by stating that she should have a gun and used it then the freakin' rapist! The topic was changed rapidly via another member and we went on to discuss other things.

Yet I couldn't help but notice the "glancing" at me, the movement of those "going to the bathroom" that had been sitting near me and then when they returned sat away from me. The "ick" looks.

I have been "unofficially" asked to not attend any more meetings, since they are now afraid of me because they figure that I own guns, would protect myself, and may have a gun on me (and I did).

A lesbian (for those that don't know, a female that doesn't like men but enjoy women) is raped via a man, assaulted, and they fear me, who has attended many of the meetings during the years and knews everyone, more because I own, carry, and speak out for self defense with guns.

I just don't understand it. Why the hell do Blacks, Jews, and Gays fight so hard against gun ownership when they have gone through hell either by countries, states, or others? You would think that they would be our greatest allies (well, from one group I am) but no, they set themselves up as "victims" who won't do anything about anything and then won't even take up the means to ensure that it won't happen again.

Geez, sometimes I think to myself, let them die in their ignorance, I don't really give a flip anymore. I'm even thinking that if I see one of my brothers or sisters in the same group as I being bashed, that I will just sit and watch because if they are this stupid then why the hell do I need to get involved and waste my time in court.

Sorry for the rant.

Wayne
 
Sir, I tried that a couple of months ago (about a year or so) and I was given the cold shoulder then also. Tried to start up a chapter here and was "escorted" off campus.

I kept on trying, and trying, and trying but to tell you the truth, I'm about ready to just say the heck with it :(.

Wayne
 
Many people on the left are perpetual victims and prefer it that way.

Let their beloved Darwinism take its course. Like that pathetic gun grabbing New Dork Times reporter that recently got beaten to death by some hoodlum.
 
If i had to guess, i would say that many of them equate guns with rednecks. And, i'm no history scholar, but it seems to me rednecks don't have a great history with Blacks, Jews, and Gays. :rolleyes:

Those that are on the fence, of course, probably weren't encouraged by the response you received from the group. I bet if you were able to solicit anonymous responses regarding interest in learning more about protecting yourself, and how the use of a firearm may play a role in that, you might be surprised at the response. The 'blow his balls off' might have been a little rough for some. :)

Or not. I'm in the midst of redneck country myself, and pretty much don't have any experience with an anti-majority.
 
That is a hard one to answer. Some people are born stupid, and die due to being stupid.

Keep trying to fight the good fight, jsut sometimes you cant convince people to see reality.
 
>Maybe you could provide them identiy t-shirts with the logo: VICTIM.<

Dude... this is about the most *I* would do for them. And I definately wouldn't jump in to help if I saw them in trouble...

Do any of the members of the group have a number they can reach you at? If they do, don't be supprised to get one of "those" calls. You know the ones: "Oh my god... there's this guy that's been threatening me, and he's outside my apartment right now! Can you bring a gun over?". If you do, you're proper response is "No, and here's why". Let 'em know that their attitude leaves them outside protection...
 
Wayne, were there LEOs called and then you were escorted off campus? Gwen Patton would be very interested if that were the case. Who performed the escort? Did they act under the colour of authority? You may have a discrimination suit. I imagine though that weapons are ILLEGAL on campus. I suggest you return to your GLBT meeting and go UNARMED but, take a witness or two with you. Take and distribute PP information. Wait and see. I daresay some will be rethinking the 2A/RKBA after one of their own was attacked and violated. One or two may just be thinking of trading in their whistle for a pistol.
 
I don't know if I should just sit back and just tell them, okay, fine, whatever, don't come crying to me attitude.
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I have pretty much adopted that attitude.

I have a question
Are gays rabidly anti gun or are the type gay people who attend these groups more likely to have that attitude.

I know "low key" gays both men and women who do not have this attitude and I would be surprised if they ever attended a support type group for anything
 
Wayne, its hard to explain to people that sometimes it becomes necessary to take another human's life when that "other human" behaves like the most vicious animal. I don't understand those people that think they are in an insulated world where there are no rapes, murders, and violence and when such occurs, we just sort of overlook it, stand by and watch and do nothing and shudder at the thought that some American might have the guts to stand up for the helpless and attempt to protect them even if our lives should be lost in doing so.

I am no murderer or killer and don't wish to be but I can and would if it became
necessary as defined by law in using deadly force. I might even consider protecting those knee jerks who gave you a hard time if I just had to but it would be hard to put my mind to the task!

Semper Fi
 
What does GBLT stand for and what kind of support group was it?

Don't worry about them man, at least you have risen to a level of intelligence over more than most people in this country. Just know that you are a survivor and with God's, Allah's, Buddha's, whatever blessing, you should be fine. Let them be victims. If your in a position to help save someone's life, do so. You'll feel great for it even if you don't get a thankyou.

You can't convince nazis that Jews are people too, you can't convince satanists in God's love, and you can't convince hilary clinton loving morons about the existence of common sense. So don't worry about them, just worry about your family and yourself.:cool:
 
Yet I couldn't help but notice the "glancing" at me, the movement of those "going to the bathroom" that had been sitting near me and then when they returned sat away from me. The "ick" looks
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Theyve figured out youre not a Socialist.
 
I wonder if it is an issue of acceptance or fear of not being accepted. Warning much phsycological BS - people have a need for social acceptance. For some the level of acceptance required is less then for others.

For a "weaker" person the level of acceptance required may be the same as others but this person may find the work required to gain that level difficult and as a result may comprimise on other issues - for example the desire to defend oneself by any means capable.

In otherwords - the common culture at most colleges and among many of the trendy organizations is to demonize guns and gun owners, if person a is seeking acceptance among these groups and normally person a is neutral in respect to firearms but that stance is hindering that persons acceptance within the circles they are seeking, person a may be willing to comprimise that neutrality and give into the popular view of disdain. Person a then publicly displays this disdain, gaining rank in the environment and furthering the groups stance.

It is probably not overt but I would guess that the path listed above is followed even without person a being aware that is what they are doing.

Of course this could all just be mindless rambling and maybe I should go drink some coffee....
 
Sounds like reasonable physchological rambling to me. Some social circles, especially educational based ones, are so deep seeded in acceptance, it's just pathetic. I myself have always been an outsider and will proudly stay that way for as long as possible. Even on TFL some of my views don't jive with popular opinion but that's ok. I don't feel the need to be justified by other people's opinion. I do however enjoy reviewing what feedback I get on my views no matter the basis of the position.

In other words everyone's opinion is important and interesting to me, I just don't have to be on the positive side of everyone for me to be happy in life.

It's a shame that in a setting such as a support group for people who routinely get racist like treatment against them, the concept of 'clicks' can still exist.

jburtonpdx,
I do however disagree with your signature line, "It is better to let one hundred guilty men go free than to convict a single innocent one."
I believe the safety of the many will always outweigh the safety of the few. Or needs or desires or whatever. And in response to the question, "Well what if you were the innocent one?" Well, guess that falls under something that i've heard and experience all my life. Noone said life was fair.:cool:
 
jburtonpdx,
I do however disagree with your signature line, "It is better to let one hundred guilty men go free than to convict a single innocent one."
I believe the safety of the many will always outweigh the safety of the few. Or needs or desires or whatever. And in response to the question, "Well what if you were the innocent one?" Well, guess that falls under something that i've heard and experience all my life. Noone said life was fair.
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Glock31
The beauty of this country and many of us in it is this - I am willing to fight to the death to protect your right to be wrong.

I truly don't want to hijack this thread, if this is something bearing further discussion lets open another thread, not sure how we could keep it gun related though as it is a statement that is rooted more in legality, philosophy, theology, personal responsibility and many other words that end in y....
 
I do however disagree with your signature line, "It is better to let one hundred guilty men go free than to convict a single innocent one."
I believe the safety of the many will always outweigh the safety of the few.
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Unless you or one of your loved ones ends up being one of the few or innocent one day.

You may want to be careful about condemning collectivists and Socialists, lest you find out one day that you're more like them than you think. Any time you claim that the whims of a group outweigh the rights of one individual, you're already way down the road of collectivism.

Oh, and your above quote is used every day by anti-gun folks of all stripes when they want to justify taking your guns away from you.
 
I was simply saying I disagree with it. Whether or not it was me or one of my loved ones that was the innocent one. What's to stop one of the hundred guilty men from harming my other loved ones. Anyway I didn't want to sidetrack the thread.

I am also willing to fight to the death for the people's rights. That's why I joined the Navy.

I honestly don't know about socialists or collectivism. It just seems to me that an innocent man always has the chance of being vindicated. A guilty man is guilty for life.

But anyway like I said before. Don't worry about people who don't support self defense measures. Worry about the ones that make them necessary.:cool:

P.S. How do anti's use that quote. What does it have to do with taking guns away? The innocent man could just as easily be a man who used lethal force legally.:confused:
 
I am also willing to fight to the death for the people's rights. That's why I joined the Navy.
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Its to easy to get sidetracked, and since I have a somewhat "broken" sense of humor....

It would suck if somebody triple dog dared you to prove it!...

guy 1 says "I am also willing to fight to the death for the people's rights."

guy 2 says "I triple dog dare you to prove it"

(remember the rules from A Christmas Story)
 
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