Swedish Mauser and K31. Reloading makes them both great rifles, but commercial ammo is still around. I use them both for hunting and can find plenty of 6.5 x 55 for hunting; haven't looked for 7.5 Swiss in hunting rounds since I haven't used up my hunting reloads yet and I can still find GP11 at gun shows.
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Wrothgar:
Just curious whether you have handled both a K-31 and a LE #4, or used them?
Believe that there was some Prvi Swiss ammo at Saturday's gun show in Southaven MS (by Memphis), and several boxes of over-priced ($18/box) Prvi. .303: should have bought it. Might have seen both calibers of P. at some other gun show(s) in '09.
Just curious whether you have handled both a K-31 and a LE #4, or used them?
Believe that there was some Prvi Swiss ammo at Saturday's gun show in Southaven MS (by Memphis), and several boxes of over-priced ($18/box) Prvi. .303: should have bought it. Might have seen both calibers of P. at some other gun show(s) in '09.
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I've handled plenty of LE in stores; just about any decent gun shop has surplus enfields. However, I've only ever handled one K31 and it was at a gun show; I liked both of them.
However, I ended up buying the K31 because it came with all its original accessories, matching, and I REALLY wanted that bayonet
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However, I ended up buying the K31 because it came with all its original accessories, matching, and I REALLY wanted that bayonet
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Wrothgar said:
You can find GP11 surp ammo for the K-31 for 40-45 cents a round. You can not find Enfield ammo even close to that. While the K-31's may have a beaver chewed stock(there's a reason) the metal finish and over all build quality is superior to the LE's.
My LE collection is fairly complete and I'm just getting started on the K-31's. They are really a fantastic rifle, maybe the best bargain out there.
yeah, the surplus ammo is what I ended up buying, and it was cheaper per round than the Wolf stuff, but I had to buy it in a 60 round pack (10 magazines full, that's pretty good!). I'll have to keep buying that as much as I can find it, it would be nice to have some of that piled up, its cheaper than any of my other surplus rifle ammo.
Tater134 I'm with you. I have 8mm Mauser Mosin Nagant and an Arisaka 99. The Arisaka is the most accurate of my three and by far my favorite. Iv'e taken deer from 15 to 220 yards with it and even buffalo at around 150 yds. that one took two shots, the second one to the brain, everything else is one shot one kill. I did some work on it as it was bubbaed when I got it.
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Concur with all the comments about the available ammunition; why buy what you can't shoot?
Regarding the Mosin Nagant, I seem to recall in my fuzzy old brain that the Russian Olympic team used them in the winter Olympics back in the sixties for the Winter Biathlon. That is the event where you ski cross country and stop to take target shots from time to time. In those days, the rules required a real .30 cal. or 7.62 rifle at long ranges. Now we just use .22 rifles at short range, which makes the site selection and preparation much simpler! As I recall, the Russians took the gold medal using the Mosin Nagant. If you like more material about this great rifle, see the film, "Enemy at the Gate". It is based on the true story of a Russian sniper during WWII. Very powerful stuff, and not recommended for the faint of heart.
Concur with all the comments about the available ammunition; why buy what you can't shoot?
Regarding the Mosin Nagant, I seem to recall in my fuzzy old brain that the Russian Olympic team used them in the winter Olympics back in the sixties for the Winter Biathlon. That is the event where you ski cross country and stop to take target shots from time to time. In those days, the rules required a real .30 cal. or 7.62 rifle at long ranges. Now we just use .22 rifles at short range, which makes the site selection and preparation much simpler! As I recall, the Russians took the gold medal using the Mosin Nagant. If you like more material about this great rifle, see the film, "Enemy at the Gate". It is based on the true story of a Russian sniper during WWII. Very powerful stuff, and not recommended for the faint of heart.
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Quite true about the German Wehrmacht und Luftwaffe, but there is a bit more to it (as you realize)-at least their neighbors' vulnerability to their surprising offensives at the first of the war:
Their neighboring countries seem to have been quite ignorant of the powerful potential of Blitzkrieg warfare, with the motivations of the combination of the 1) ancient German fear of encirclement, 2) the smoldering humiliations prompted by the WW1 Versailles Treaty's vast crippling financial reparations plus the "stab in the back" ("der Dolchstoss") legend and 3) poverty and sense of future chaos, worsened much more by the 1929 Great Depression etc.
The Germans' deep insecurity generally began as a result of the apocalypse of the Thirty Years' War in 1618-1648.
Europe in general could not stomach the thought of any more war after the many millions of soldiers' deaths in WW1. Check the unbelievable deaths in less than a week at Paeschendaele, Belgium-just one battlefield.
The German and Japanese military branches were open to lessons learned from our air force demonstrations in the 20s and 30s which the US military seemed not to care about, as the Army Air Corps was an 'upstart' branch, i.e. Gen. Billy Mitchell. Lessons taught by us helped lead to our enemies' Blitzkrieg.
Quite true about the German Wehrmacht und Luftwaffe, but there is a bit more to it (as you realize)-at least their neighbors' vulnerability to their surprising offensives at the first of the war:
Their neighboring countries seem to have been quite ignorant of the powerful potential of Blitzkrieg warfare, with the motivations of the combination of the 1) ancient German fear of encirclement, 2) the smoldering humiliations prompted by the WW1 Versailles Treaty's vast crippling financial reparations plus the "stab in the back" ("der Dolchstoss") legend and 3) poverty and sense of future chaos, worsened much more by the 1929 Great Depression etc.
The Germans' deep insecurity generally began as a result of the apocalypse of the Thirty Years' War in 1618-1648.
Europe in general could not stomach the thought of any more war after the many millions of soldiers' deaths in WW1. Check the unbelievable deaths in less than a week at Paeschendaele, Belgium-just one battlefield.
The German and Japanese military branches were open to lessons learned from our air force demonstrations in the 20s and 30s which the US military seemed not to care about, as the Army Air Corps was an 'upstart' branch, i.e. Gen. Billy Mitchell. Lessons taught by us helped lead to our enemies' Blitzkrieg.
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Wait, wait, wait... I've never seen a Mosin in 8mm. How'd that happen?
Actually, that's just a rumor about the Arisakas. If you look around, you'll find that the "Last Ditch" models are perfectly capable of being fired and do quite well. The "Last Ditch" status doesn't refer to the gun's inherent safety, but rather the fit and finish of the gun.
I dont know how to post on this board, but someone said which ever one you can still get Surpluss Ammo For.
If thats the case It would have to be anything chambered for 7.62x39 Its the most commonly available Surplus Round going, next to the 7.62x51 Nato(308) and the 5.56MM (223)
Myself if it gets down to those three, I will probably reload, or get a Mauser rebarreled for 308 and keep shootin!!
If thats the case It would have to be anything chambered for 7.62x39 Its the most commonly available Surplus Round going, next to the 7.62x51 Nato(308) and the 5.56MM (223)
Myself if it gets down to those three, I will probably reload, or get a Mauser rebarreled for 308 and keep shootin!!