What is up with all the dressed up AK's?

If someone thinks AR parts are fragile, be advised, the AK parts are made of the exact same materials and are coming off the same machines in the same shops. So, if fragile junk is all someone sees, stop buying it and get the real thing - not Airsoft accessories.

Most of the AK parts exist because they are retrofit AR parts. If it wasn't for AR shooters buying the stuff, AK owners wouldn't have jack to bolt onto their guns.
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I was referring more to extractors that break if you shoot steel cased ammo too much and pop can mags, true both of these parts are cheap but it's a pain in the ass to have to replace something so trivial.

I fully agree that the furniture is the same material, though I doubt that they are retrofitted AR parts, I don't see a lot of side folding AR stocks or an AK with a free floated aluminum hand guard and for that matter an A2 style pistol grip for the AK. it may be the same material and made in the same factory but it's not retrofitted, jury rigged ar parts that fit onto AKs.
 
I prefer the modernized AKM and I've improved what you see here by adding Kreb's enhanced safety lever and a lighter Magpul CTR.
The rifle is very accurate, very reliable, much lighter than any of my M14s, very comfortable to shoot and it cycles sub sonic ammo.

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Magpul furniture and picitinny rails weren't invented for AK's first. All the maker has to do is redesign a small part of the mold, or accomodate a different mount, and the same CNC starts milling with the same bits into the same billets of aluminum.

Thanks for that picture, it's EXACTLY what I'm talking about. To make an AK feature for feature the same as an M4, it will cost about the same - and it was never really issued that way. Plus, that's what you get - a psuedo M4gery. The emphasis is to copy what has apparently become the minimum standard, which the AK isn't.

Not being a big fan of all the dress up items, to me, it's very much like putting lipstick on a pig. At least putting the Aimpoint on the gas block gives it a secure location, if not the coolest, and does open up the eye relief.

Gotta ask, if piston AR's get over 500 degrees at the gas block, and Magpul definitely recommends never putting MBUS on it, what will happen to that red dot?
 
tirod Magpul furniture and picitinny rails weren't invented for AK's first.
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No, those items weren't available when the AK was first released but thank god they are available now.

The same can be said for the M14, M16 and AR10.
 
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ROFL!!! :D

The rifle is very accurate, very reliable, much lighter than any of my M14s
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Well now wait a second, what does it weigh? Because we all know how you like to build your M14s, and they may be a lot of things, but they ain't light! :p

Jason
 
I suppose the AK shooters want their toys, just like the other guns. AR's, M1A's, FAL's, etc, all have their "junk" too, and usually suffer the same problems.

Most of them never get any kind of "use", other than the local range, so cool tends to outweigh practicality. Switch things around a little, where you have to use the gun in a more "realistic" manner, and a lot of that cool stuff tends can give you a new outlook on why KISS is just so.... simple. :)


Personally, I dont like a lot of add on crap on any of them. Anything that "really" improves things (and that tends to be more of a rarity than anything) has value, if it doesnt take away from what you started with. The only way youre really going to learn, is to live and learn, and prove its worth or lack of it.


I prefer basically "stock" AK's. The only "upgrades" of value for me, are a good Russian web sling, and if I want something a little more current in the sighting department, a good red dot on an Ultimak rail. Other than that, why mess up a good thing?
 
I suppose the AK shooters want their toys, just like the other guns. AR's, M1A's, FAL's, etc, all have their "junk" too, and usually suffer the same problems.

Most of them never get any kind of "use", other than the local range, so cool tends to outweigh practicality. Switch things around a little, where you have to use the gun in a more "realistic" manner, and a lot of that cool stuff tends can give you a new outlook on why KISS is just so.... simple.


Personally, I dont like a lot of add on crap on any of them. Anything that "really" improves things (and that tends to be more of a rarity than anything) has value, if it doesnt take away from what you started with. The only way youre really going to learn, is to live and learn, and prove its worth or lack of it.


I prefer basically "stock" AK's. The only "upgrades" of value for me, are a good Russian web sling, and if I want something a little more current in the sighting department, a good red dot on an Ultimak rail. Other than that, why mess up a good thing?
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Amen. That's probably about the most sensible thing I've heard in a while. I no longer remember the exact quote, but Jeff Cooper once said something along the lines (paraphrasing here) of a first class marksman with a second class rifle being a more effective combination than the other way around. I believe it. The extra stuff hanging off of the cheese graters might look cool and be fun, but it's not going to make for a better shooter.

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AKMs and M-4geries are just Barbies for some guys who really need to turn off their Playstation and get out of their mother's basement.
 
AKMs and M-4geries are just Barbies for some guys who really need to turn off their Playstation and get out of their mother's basement.
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What an insightful post... And your other one asking why a person would "want a PTR91/G3 in the first place" was also very helpful.


Do you have something against Semi Auto rifles/carbines? Or are you just wandering out from under your bridge to catch some sunlight?


How about instead of making broad general statments to hide thinly veiled insults, you give some insight as to why a person would be better served with another type of rifle.
 
Because most of us are just big boys with bigger toys. Seriously, how many of us are going to get into a firefight in this lifetime? Dressed up AK, AR, or 10/22 is for show with little value added in the real world outside of the optics and MAYBE a light. I have a 10/22 that I went all mall-ninja on and I don't even use it now because it is so dang heavy. Thankfully my AKs are stock.
 
Everybody should own an AK 47....

Mine is going to get an Ultimak, G2 Trigger and a Red Dot.

I finally took my WASR 10/63 out and shot it. The 3 shots on the right are the first three shots. The next group is a magazine of 30 rounds when I was zeroing it in at 25 meters. I need to go back when I get some more time and finish dialing it in. A B-Square front sight tool is the ticket to do this.
 

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They are cheap to fix up. It's the same as buying a mosin nagant. It's by no means a top of the line weapon, but it'll go bang no matter what you do to em. I've seen em in the field with a bend in the barrel and still functioning. The last insurgent I dusted seemed to like his pretty good!!! LMAO!:p
 
Amen. That's probably about the most sensible thing I've heard in a while. I no longer remember the exact quote, but Jeff Cooper once said something along the lines (paraphrasing here) of a first class marksman with a second class rifle being a more effective combination than the other way around. I believe it. The extra stuff hanging off of the cheese graters might look cool and be fun, but it's not going to make for a better shooter.
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Funny thing about Jeff Cooper. He also went the tacticool route of his own, defining what attributes he thought needed to be on a rifle with is scout rifle. He just more narrowly defined his parameters is all.

I find it amusing that people want options on so many things in their lives, but then when it comes to firearms, reject the notion of being able to have options with near religious fervor. That is why they are called "options" and not called "mandatories."
 
"Apparently, you are behind the times, old fashioned, not up with the current marketing trends. That is what is up."

Oh well I guess I am so far behind the times I can't shoot! I still use a flint lock muzzle loader with real black powder to hunt. I must have got lost some where in the marketing world.
Or I just like traditional. Oh yea if the gun gets to heavy I need to take somthin' off it.

Mace
 
There is nothing wrong with your having an AK in one of it's traditional forms - have at it, but don't be an idiot and tell someone it's wrong to enhance and modernize their AK.
 
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