What is the perfect Gun Store?
- Thread starter USMCBill
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As I said in my first post, she was literally unable to budge the trigger, at all.
Setting that aside, if I sound a little cranky on this subject, it's because I am.
That's because I've been doing this a lot of years now and have worked with a lot of students over the years, both men and women. It's far too common for a woman to show up at the range with a gun that is wildly unsuitable for her, that she purchased because the person behind the counter recommended it to her and (too often!) because they took advantage of her ignorance. Sometimes the gun is dramatically too big for her hands and she can't reach the controls. Sometimes it's too much trigger weight, as it was here. And sometimes it's other problems, such as handing a new shooter a super tiny super lightweight little gun with nasty recoil and vestigial sights. "Who cares that it's unpleasant to shoot, she's not going to shoot it much anyway!" seems to be the prevailing opinion in such cases, a self fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one.
So in answer to the OP's question, I provided an illustration of bad behavior from behind the counter at gun stores, and some positive suggestions for making the world a better place. That's it and that's all.
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Setting that aside, if I sound a little cranky on this subject, it's because I am.
That's because I've been doing this a lot of years now and have worked with a lot of students over the years, both men and women. It's far too common for a woman to show up at the range with a gun that is wildly unsuitable for her, that she purchased because the person behind the counter recommended it to her and (too often!) because they took advantage of her ignorance. Sometimes the gun is dramatically too big for her hands and she can't reach the controls. Sometimes it's too much trigger weight, as it was here. And sometimes it's other problems, such as handing a new shooter a super tiny super lightweight little gun with nasty recoil and vestigial sights. "Who cares that it's unpleasant to shoot, she's not going to shoot it much anyway!" seems to be the prevailing opinion in such cases, a self fulfilling prophecy if ever there was one.
So in answer to the OP's question, I provided an illustration of bad behavior from behind the counter at gun stores, and some positive suggestions for making the world a better place. That's it and that's all.
pax
Some gun retailers have policies in place that don't allow dry firing of any kind, even with snap caps. I won't name the place, but they will terminate the employee on the spot for a violation. Trigger guards on all weapons at all times PERIOD. I bought a gun there, but I was already familiar with the trigger in question. I am sure they have lost sales over the policy.
If she "needs" a gun in that time, she can cock it and fire single action, which is much easier to learn in a day than how to operate a semi reliably
Anyone who can't pull the trigger on a revolver is likely to "limp-wrist" a semi, and one with absolutely no experience would probably forget how to operate any safeties.
No one knows what happened at the gun shop, other than a woman came in "needing a gun right now"
Maybe they told her how to to fire it single action.
We will never know what happened there, so there's no need to place blame on anyone
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Perhaps you missed the part of the story where I repeatedly said that it was a DAO revolver. No hammer to cock.
Having worked with a lot of women and a lot of new shooters over the years, I can tell you that it is entirely possible to not have the hand strength to run a double action trigger, and still have plenty of hand strength to run a semi auto. Perhaps your experience has been different. Mine has not.
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Having worked with a lot of women and a lot of new shooters over the years, I can tell you that it is entirely possible to not have the hand strength to run a double action trigger, and still have plenty of hand strength to run a semi auto. Perhaps your experience has been different. Mine has not.
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May not be a 24 hour solution, but i won't take a whole lot longer to get the 100s to work. Start with "negatives" squeezing with both hands then slowly releasing with just one.
Given that almost every man can fire an 1895 Nagant, even if comically, I find it hard to believe many healthy women can't fire a modern production revolver. I have a wife. She is petite. She goes to the gym everyday and does all kinds of working out. She can't lift anything. She has never done much manual labor, and she literally doesn't know how to lift things that weigh considerably less than the weights she uses at the gym. The strength is there, she just doesn't know HOW to exert it.
May not be a 24 hour solution, but i won't take a whole lot longer to get the 100s to work. Start with "negatives" squeezing with both hands then slowly releasing with just one.
Given that almost every man can fire an 1895 Nagant, even if comically, I find it hard to believe many healthy women can't fire a modern production revolver. I have a wife. She is petite. She goes to the gym everyday and does all kinds of working out. She can't lift anything. She has never done much manual labor, and she literally doesn't know how to lift things that weigh considerably less than the weights she uses at the gym. The strength is there, she just doesn't know HOW to exert it.
I feel qualified to render opinion only as a potential customer and haven't seen these mentioned.
For Range:
1) Security consciousness to include plan and ability to deal with severe ignorance, unsafe practices, and mental/emotional instability.
2) A variety of rental guns to allow non-owner shooters and to let owners try something they don’t have but might like.
As for store, I’ve learned to live in a drastically-changed world but not yet to like some of it much. I would love to read a well-considered treatise on how we got where we are from what once was the ideal gun store, the modern-day equivalent of which would be aisle 44 of your local supermarket.
I made my first gun purchase in a local furniture store. It could just as easily have been the drug store, the tractor dealership, or (for sure) the hardware store.
Best wishes to you, USMCBILL, and thank you for your service. I hope you are able to learn what you need to know in order to make your dreams reality.
For Range:
1) Security consciousness to include plan and ability to deal with severe ignorance, unsafe practices, and mental/emotional instability.
2) A variety of rental guns to allow non-owner shooters and to let owners try something they don’t have but might like.
As for store, I’ve learned to live in a drastically-changed world but not yet to like some of it much. I would love to read a well-considered treatise on how we got where we are from what once was the ideal gun store, the modern-day equivalent of which would be aisle 44 of your local supermarket.
I made my first gun purchase in a local furniture store. It could just as easily have been the drug store, the tractor dealership, or (for sure) the hardware store.
Best wishes to you, USMCBILL, and thank you for your service. I hope you are able to learn what you need to know in order to make your dreams reality.
Study up on LBJ's "Great Society", then the GCA of 68 and 86.
I used to buy guns in a drug store; in the back corner was the liquor section, the other back corner the pharmacy with any narcotic your Dr. gave you a script for. Ammo, powder, and other reloading gear was around the corner from the handgun display case - NEVER was an issue.
Now, any decent gun store has to think "CYA" FIRST, sales and customer service second.