What is so significant to a Glock Pistols

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Glocks were and will always be designed for self defense, military, and police purposes. They are designed to deliver the bullet to the target after being driven on, frozen, dropped, impacted, or submerged in water. The polymer frame absorbs a lot of recoil. They all have the same two stage trigger. But Glocks were most importantly designed to be effective tools.

1911s originally were designed for combat but over time have moved into the competitive shooting field. Superbly accurate - no doubt.

Most guns today are a combination of metal, polymer, plastic, screws, and pins.

Don't lose sight of the fact that the gun is merely the delivery system. Bullet selection and shooting skill also needed no matter what you shoot.

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Chuck Taylor has about 175,000 rounds through his Glock at last report (late last year). That's way less than 1/2 million. There are Glocks that have gone that far, just as there are 1911s reported on TFL that have gone 200,000 rounds and more. Doesn't prove anything, really. Your individual Glock may fail at round 1, 1000, 1 million, etc.

Pick the one you shoot the best with and can use most effectively. Then, train with it like crazy. But don't insult someone else's choice simply because of the arrogant presumption that one design is better than another. As long as the weapon meets basic standards of durability, reliability, and performance, all issues become moot and the ability of the shooter becomes paramount.

I just got through a combat shooting course (Stressfire) with my Glock 17. Qualified with a 298 out of a possible 300. Know what? I could have done better with a 1911. And, as a result, I'm looking into picking one up. As for reliability concerns, my 17 had a failure, while my brother-in-law's Colt didn't, in the same number of rounds.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Observer:
It is true that the glock can be carried loaded without any cocked and locked but that is more scary being loaded as we cannot determined if there is one bullet loaded for there is no hammer being seen as cocked and locked[/quote]

This statement, of course, is incorrect. It is quite obvious when the Glock is "cocked", the trigger is in the forward position. This obviously doesn't tell you if a round is chambered, only that the striker is "set" and the gun is ready to fire. By the same token, the hammer of the 1911 doesn't tell you if a round is in the chamber, so this test seems to be a tie. It's true that you have to look on the bottom of the gun to see the trigger status, but it's not a big problem for most of us. :)
 
buzz_knox,
Thanks, I was not sure of the actual number of rounds. I knew that it was a lot. It's just that those "tests" were a factor in my decision to "get Glock"!!

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"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
 
Thanks to all of your good comments. Yes I know that the glock trigger and that secondary trigger is in the forward position if cocked. But my point is it is not like in a 1911 (for safety purposes) that if cocked and locked that no matter how the trigger is squeezed or perhaps acciddentally snag on something else, for sure it will not detonate the primer. A novice like me would easily determined that a 1911 is loaded by just looking at immediately or just feel the hammer with my elbow side if it is cocked and locked (whilst on my waist-side)rather than looking at small thing or feel the secondary thing on the glock trigger. That is just my personal opinion, for others they are used to that kind of trigger.

By the way, I have no much opinion on the malfunction of the glock that I have rented because there is no misses on the bullets, but what I am driving at is, I really don't like it to keep nor treasure such weapon and I said again that if I stripped it, it looks like a toy for me of looking at the frame with some few metal parts moulded on it and the guide rod is so akward for me. It is a personal preference. But if for the use as a gun for the purpose to shoot and go bang then there is no problem on it (it depends on what purpose you buy and keep it).

Secondly, maybe it is just my own feeling, the glock slide seems bulky to me unlike to a 1911 that even it is high cap, still I feel it is very flat.

Don't you think that Gaston made the Glock (though it is high-tech as claimed but cheaper parts because of the polymer) and the Austrian Gov't used them for their Armed Forces for economic reason if purchased in big quantity. If I am not mistaken it was offered cheap to most government buyers. Not bad to own one, but if it is the only penny I have I will not invest on one kind, I will still opt for the traditional pistols being used in the pre-war and still improved and used today.
 
i'm sorry if i go on a little rant here but i'll try to keep this post short (i'm sure i'll fail at that).

first off i can't imagine a gun that isn't safe for target practice? if a gun won't work on the range how will it work in the real world? you must be thinking of hearing about glocks KB'ing. this rumor has gotten blown way out of proportion. really it has so much more to do with the bullet than the gun. it is usually caused by a weak case or some other problem with reloaded ammo. glocks are some of the most durable guns made. Chuck Taylor's Glock 17 last i heard was at 165,000 rounds and that was about a year ago.

glocks are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. when you rack the slide loading a round into the chamber this cocks the striker half way. now the gun is loaded and ready to go but all 3 safeties on the gun are in safe mode. when you pull the trigger to shoot the gun the 3 safeties are disengaged during the trigger pull and the striker is also cocked the rest of the way. then the striker will fall and the gun will fire. it is impossible for the gun to go off unless the trigger is pulled. when the FBI was doing their tests for their new sidearm they took a glock and threw it out of a helicopter at 400 feet, tossed it over their head into the air, ran it over by a car and did much more to it. in all this time the gun did not fire the round in the chamber (of course there wasn't a bullet just a case and a primer so they could see if the gun would have went off). the only way a glock can be acidentally fired is if the shooter has his finger inside the trigger guard when he/she shouldn't.

i'm not surpized that you wouldn't trust a loaded glock since you don't even carry your 1911 the way its supposed to be carried. a 1911 is safe to carry cocked and locked and that is the fastest way to get it into action. as for your example about revolvers where you are supposed to not have a round under the firing pin. that was only with old revolvers. modern revolvers made recently are completely safe to carry with a round in every chamber.

as i said glocks are durable. their tenifer finish they have on all metal parts will prevent the gun from rusting better than any other pistol. their polymer frames of course will not rust and i've never heard of a glock which had its frame scratched. if you can run over a glock with a car and the frame doesn't crack i think its pleanty strong.

sure there are things glocks can't do. you can't put fancy ivory or wood grips on it and you can't put a nice looking finish on the frame. but is that really necissary in a gun that was designed for military use? the gun was designed to work. you talked about the glock having looser tolerances than 1911s and that is true. but that increases their reliability. they are not designed to be used in bullseye matches. you can take a glock and drop it in sand, dirt, mud, salt water, and just about anything else you can think of. do you think your 1911 will work after that? you don't have to clean your glock after every time you use it and it will still fire if not properly lubricated for a while.

i have never had a single problem with the reliability of either of my glocks. i can shoot them more accurately than any other pistol i have ever shot. they will feed reliably all types of hollow points as well. also my glock comes completely reliable right out of the box. to make a 1911 as reliable you have to spend something like $2000 on it.

i don't have anything against 1911s. i think their great guns but i feel that my glocks are much better made guns. i use some of my guns for self defense and my number 1 concern is their reliability. that is why i choose a glock for my self defense handgun.
 
Sheez, it'll probably get lost in all this Crap, Heresay, Muck, and outright bigotry, but here goes.

I've owned one and I liked mine.

There seems to be a paradigm here (look it up) that prevents many of you from looking beyond what's there to see what can be there. The Glock Utilizes the Browning Locking system, a polymer utilization already used by the Remington Nylon series and H&K VP 70 pistols. It's striker system is over a century old. The only thing unique to the pistol is the trigger safety system which, itself, was already utilized to a great degree on many firing-pin safety guns such as the Browning High Power. There is nothing, therefore, revolutioniary in the John Moses Browning sense of the word about a Glock.

What it does have is a well proven track record of reliability, durability, and practical accuracy that, although not spectacular, is certainly noteworthy. And, No, I'm not gonna waste my time getting any Friggin statistics. Statistics don't go Bang, but my Glock DOES... EVERY TIME.

Who the F**K ever said that a gun has to be made out of steel to work? The same TYPE of person also said we should wear red in battle and march standing up toward the enemy lines. He's the same type of twit who told us that we had to have the M-14 when there was a superior (albiet European) design already in use that was vastly superior.

Get your heads out of the past and look at the Glock for its virtues, don't shun it because it's Different. And, BTW, it's not.

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John Browning made us equal.

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