What is so significant to a Glock Pistols

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I have fired both a Glock and 1911. I prefer the 1911 and believe that all things being equal, a good 1911 will outshoot almost any other design.

On that note, I think the HK USP is an awesome combination of a Glock durability, reliability and weight and 1911s accuracy and certain mechanics. You can carry C&L in SA or DA, or you can change to DAO with no safety levers like a Glock. Throw in an o-ring on the barrel and tune the trigger.

Make mine HK.

(Sorry, I just had to throw it in there with so many people representing their Glocks and 1911s.)
 
I have been tempted by the HK USP and have had the opportunity to shoot one in .45 and one in .40. No comparison to the Glocks in terms of accuracy and trigger. The Glock wins on both counts. Can't say that though about the HK P9S. It kicks my Glocks' tails on trigger pull hands down.

Although I love my Gold Cup, I find myself shooting my Glock 21 and 30 much more.
 
Glock vs 1911?

Sorry but I don't think a comparison is possible. I own one of each and they are really two different breeds. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Both have proved their durability. I realised long ago that it is stupid to say "your favorite gun sucks". You carry what you feel the most comfortable with and what you can shoot accurately under pressure. Shoot what has proven its reliability to you. The day that you cap some low-life that is trying to do you in, do you think anyone is going to care wether it was a Glock or a 1911 or a Jennings? Sure we may ask out of curiousity but when it comes down to it, whichever you used will have saved your butt where one that the next guy prefers may have failed in your hands. My best advice is that if you are not comfortable with a particular weapon, you have no business chamberring round #1 in it unless you are at the range trying to get comfortable with it. OK so flame me. :D
 
Glock's are "significant" because of their polymer frames-that's it. If you're comfortable with your Glock, fine. If you're comfortable with your 1911, fine. As earlier said and I believe it that Glock's are the most "significant" development of the 20th century. Best, J. Parker
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Quantum Singularity:
1911 .45's are nice and generally have better triggers than Glocks, but in terms of accuracy the .45 Glocks will outshoot most 1911's. The exception is Kimber, which is about as accurate as the Glock 21[/quote]

Obviously, you haven't shot any good 1911's yet.
 
Why don't we just all gather 'round in a circle, pull 'em out, and see whose biggest?
I agree w/ the statement that whatever floats your boat must be best for you. Personally, I have never been able to get off rapid triple taps as quickly or as tight w/ any handgun, revolver, pistol, or Glock, (and to me a Glock is different enough to get its own catagory) as with a 1911, be it a Colt, a Springfield, or the ParaOrdnance I now carry.
What works best for me is what's on my hip, and what's best for you should be on yours.
.....That said, I have put over 10,000 rnds through that P-14, and it remains tight, accurate, and totally reliable. When you have over 1,000,000 rnds through your Glock, invite me to see how it has fared!!!

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Glocks are ready to go out of the box. Observer, when you have put over 45,000 rounds thru you 1911, let us know.
 
My brother in law carries a Glock. I have talked to him and found his choice to be based on a zeal which can only be described as "religious". :D

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Number 6; Well put. I own a Glock but believe me I just don't understand all the "zeal" behind these pistols. I'm fascinated with the history of the 1911. I'm impressed with the feel and reliability of the Beretta mod 92. I love the power of my S&W mod 28 .357 maggie. Hell, I like alot of different pistols! But to be hung up on one type or style of pistol is beyond me. Best, J. Parker
 
9x45:

45,000 rounds perhaps will take me years to use and get back to you for my report. I only consume 100 bullets per week for my target practice. With that data then I can only used 4,8000 per year x 10 yrs to make it 48,000. Then TFL will be still hot and we will be still all around to give reports.

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If you like them then shoot them. If you don't then shoot something else. My stock Glocks have never failed to fire. They have never fired when they should not fire.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ArmySon:
Obviously, you haven't shot any good 1911's yet.

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No, that is incorrect-- I have shot several "good 1911's". IMO, Kimber and Springfield are the only "good" 1911's that shoot well out of the box. There are many expensive custom 1911's out there, but I won't compare a Glock to them (not a fair test since the Glock .45's are stock and fall in the "middle" price range). Colt is trash-- you have to gunsmith them just to shoot ok. The ungunsmithed Colts I have bench rest tested get poor groups and shoot way off point of aim. I am impressed with Springfield but the groups are generally not quite as good as the G21. Kimber is the only STOCK (non-customized 1911) I have shot that has superb accuracy.
 
Greetings to all:

I have just posted and replied a handful of topics and given the Senior member status. Am I that qualified to have such title? What are the criteria of being one? But thanks anyway, I feel great to see and read the title everytime I browse TFL forum.

Quantum said, "the ungunsmithed Colts I have bench rest tested get poor groups and shoot way off point of aim". Formerly I blame the pistol which I cannot shot good groups but as i go on shooting and studying where is my personal fault in handling such one, then I realized that we shooter must adjust our sight or get use to it to whatever gun we are firing. For others who said that single action mode is easier or having better groups than DA's trigger, I think if one is use to each one it would be the same to have groupings. Not the Gun but the user for if we can see where is our deficiencies in handling one and improve that, then we can shot all pistols with the same groupings. Even how tight the pistol if the user don't have the skill (more practice) then he cannot make good groups.

My first pistol is a DA, when I got an SA 1911 and always using it, I found out that I have a better groups on it than my DA trigger mechanism. Now that I am again using my DA trigger pistol I can master it again the same as to my SA 1911. The first fault I have seen is the way I squezzed my trigger. Most of my shots hit the Alpha but it mostly on the right-side of the target. Even how much I will I adjust my sight it will still hit the same area till I learned that there must be a good coordination of our trigger finger and using the advise of shooter that always get a good front-sight (good alignment of rear and front sight). I adjust my self because I am using fixed sight. I am just contributing my novice experiences. For I believe that a good shooter is not the one that holds an expensive/famous guns but one who knows to land his bullets towards the target.




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The Observer: in your first post you talked about the polymer and how you don't like it's looks and the fact it can't be polished and reblued if you scratch it....that is fine. But, how about shooting it?

Glocks are not for looking at, they are for shooting and using, and in that regard, many people consider them the best.

The Glocks loaded chamber indicator is it's trigger. If the trigger is forward, it is loaded, and treat it as such, period. If you know your gun, you can also look at the extractor and tell if it is loaded.


Some of us have tried all the other guns, and have found a love for the Perfection found in Glock. The religious zeal for the Glock is present for a reason and the emotionalism is a direct result of people knocking our choice in carry gun.


I like custom 1911's too; they take up a nice place in my safe. But I trust my life to a Glock.



To all- If you have not shot a Glock 30 then you just haven't lived. Give it a chance, maybe all this religious zeal is for a reason. ;)
 
Actually, Glock has a loaded chamber indicator -- feel the ejector...if it sticks out, you have one in the chamber. I am not fond of Glocks but rely on a G17 and G21 for defense. They are a commodity, much like a Ford A was a commodity. Not the best but quite durable and a good bang for the buck. They lack the appeal of finer tools but one can use them and not feel bad about marring the finish. It also helps that I have yet to have any FTFs in mine.

As for "emotional owners", you've got to see Bushmaster vs. Colt AR15 or AR15 vs. AKM or FAL vs. M1A or cats vs. dogs...
 
Although I prefer the 1911, I carry a Glock. That may not win friends and influence people, but I don't care.

One gun is not more superior than the other. All guns have their own tactical niche.

I find that Glocks are reliable accurate weapons that can be counted on. They can be abused and still function properly. If they break, they're easily repaired or replaced.

I would definately have a problem with a high dollar custom 1911 disappearing or becoming damaged while in the property room after a self defense shooting. If it were a Glock on the otherhand, I wouldn't care.
 
The Observer:

To my mind, I am not really convinced that the glock can surpass the quality nor the durability of a standard 1911
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Park one wheel of a 2.5-ton SUV on the Glock, and one on the 1911. The results will be, um, illustrative.
It is true that the glock can be carried loaded without any cocked and locked
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In point of fact, the Glock can not be carried "cocked" at all. When you rack the slide on a Glock, the striker is only drawn part of the way back. The action of pulling the trigger is what actually 'cocks' the striker for firing. The persistance of this notion among otherwise knowledgable gun people who howl at any innacuracy in gun use or nomenclature on TV is baffling...

Anyhow, it's natural to feel that way about something that goes against what you're used to. Twenty-five or thirty years ago, you could read and hear identical debates as all your experienced, veteran old-guard shooters with their .38 and .357 wheelguns derided these young whippersnappers foolish enough to consider a Colt government jam-a-matic as a serious defense handgun without having a private armourer in their personal TO&E. Now those same whippersnappers are the old guard...

Believe me, when I had the same experience level with Glocks that you confess to, I thought they were 'plastic junk', too. I had to be dragged into my first Glock purchase kicking and screaming. After the brainwashing in the Glock reeducation camp, I calmed down some, but it's been the seven different Glocks in four different calibers that I've owned for six totally jam-free years since then that have really made me a believer. I love my H&K P7, really enjoyed most 1911's I've owned, and my .45ACP N-frame is like a work of art to me BUT come what may, I know I can stake my life on my ugly, rugged, stone-axe reliable Glocks.

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10mm: It's not the size of the Dawg in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Chuck Taylor has about 1/2 a million rounds through his G17. It has been frozen, soaked in salt water, run over by a jeep numerous times, buried in mud, buried in sand, etc. After each "test" a loaded magazine was inserted into the pistol, and it was fired. there have been no stopages, except for those caused by the magazine wearing out. This test has been ongoing for over ten years. I think that Mr. Taylor is running out of things to do to this poor pistol. This test is also very well documentated. No flame intended, Mr. Observer, you asked for facts, and I have done my best to provide them. If you want particulars, please contact Mr. Chuck Taylor.

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Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Glock 26: 17 rounds of concealed carry DEATH comming your way from out of nowhere!!! THAT'S FIREPOWER, BABY!!!"
 
I would have to say a Glock. I'm not a big fan, but 34 parts and reliability plays a bigger factor in war than accuracy. also, definitely get the full-auto gizmo for it.

The real answer (of course) is a few granades... :-)

Albert
 
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