What is keeping everyone here from calling themselves libertarians?

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Frankly, I do not understand why anyone would want to call themselves a republican or a democrat, I just don't. Republicans have betrayed every principle Ronald Reagan ever spoke (but rarely acted on), and the democrat party betrayed it's good members in the 1960s when it became the EXCLUSIVE party of abortion, gun bans, hard left socialism, environmental marxists, and female nazis (everybody says feminazis but I'm sick of that term).

The only thing I can figure is that americans are soooo wedded to groupthink, that they can't bear to walk away from a group with a familiar name. They can't bear stand out as individuals. Taking the principled position requires taking on the mind numbed of both parties, and opens one up to attacks from two sides (which explains why few have the courage to do it). The attacks from the pro bush, bizarre "patriotism" camp are the least productive, because they used to know better than 99% of what bush does and they hide this with personal attacks on the messenger. These people are also the kings of subject changing.

Trying to reason with the hard left democrats is comparitively easier and more pleasant than even speaking with the "don't insult my president, you're a liberal, you're an insurgent, you hate america, bush is saving us from the terrorists" moronic neo "conservatives" :barf: .

The good pro 2nd amendment non marxist democrats are usually stuck in the past and haven't noticed who runs that party (and are afraid to leave the familiar name behind that has been in the family for generations).

Republicans who actually remember good principles of hating/mistrusting the federal tyranny have had to either leave the party or go underground so as to avoid being stampeded by the phony "patriotic" neo conservatives (who, don't have any idea what "neo con" means). They rarely try to reason with the neo con, "George Bush is a hero" crowd because all that group knows how to do is put a dozen magnets on their cars and call everyone who exposes Bush a "liberal." :rolleyes:

The libertarian party is wrong on supporting wide open borders, but so is script reader Bush who carries the water for quite a few globalist initiatives.

Again, why would anyone want to call themselves a republican or a democrat?
 
I'm registered as an Independent.

But the main reason is being able to vote in the primaries. You have to be registered for that party to be able to vote for the one you think will lead your party.

If you are registered anything else, you can't vote in the "two party" system that we have at the moment.

Wayne
 
Registered republican because it's better than socialist/dem.

Consider myself Independent however, because the Reps no longer represent my views either.

Not lib, because they're far to liberal on social issues.

I want a party that stands for the constitution AND the principles that our forefathers had.


I'd say that's about 5% of the US populous.....=.....no representatives for me. :(

EDIT: I am by NO MEANS a sheep of any party. If Zell Miller was up agaisnt Rudi G., Zell would have my vote unless there's something I don't know about him. I vote mostly Rep around here because there's only two choices most of the time. I didn't vote for Arnold, I voted for the more conservative guy.
 
Pretty much the fact that thier social theory is dubious, and the candidates they select for President are VERY strange people. The last one didn't file taxes for several years, dressed up in colonial costume and posed with an AR-15(?), and had the brilliant idea to subject every member of Congress to an extra-Constitutional political re-education camp before they could be seated.

Good God almighty, what boneheaded flapdoodle they spout.

Other than that, the fact that they have never been able to garner more than 0.3% of any Presidential vote tally.
 
Mainly because I don't agree with Libertarian policy regarding big business. They are, after all, another group with their fair share of group-think. I am very socially Libertarian.
 
I was a registered libertarian for 15 years, also a candidate a couple times.

The simple fact is, the libertarian party wasted it's opportunity to make a difference through sheer incompetence and mismanagment.

They've been around for 30 years. What have they accomplished in that time? A bare handful of state reps, not a single state senator or any national office. Yet they continue to throw away money, time, and effort on running no-named nobodys with no chance for president every four years. If they used that capital on local and state elections instead, they'd have actually won some, and over the years would have built a base.

But like children, they have no patience, and no comprimise, and thus no base, nor any chance of winning anything even remotely important. Anyone with a lick of sense has left the party, which is being run by some seriously crazy people. They even had to reduce membership dues to zero, to hide the vanishing membership rate.

If someone considers themselves to be a libertarian, it would be far better to join the republicans, and move the party in a conservative/libertarian direction, then to waste time and effort for a party than has squandered 30 years to no avail. That's exactly what the hard left and socialists did to the democratic party, and now they're running the show.
 
I've tried for almost 30 years to move the Republicans back to being what they should have been, and have gotten nowhere. In fact, I'd say they've reversed.
I'll stick with the Libertarians.
 
I still don't understand how they plan on supporting an economy when they insist on getting rid of taxes. :confused: Either way, I like most of the other issues they have. I see no problem with open borders, though, and they're the only party that supports drug legalization/decriminalization.

I'll still vote by the candidate, though. I voted for Zel Miller once but I won't do it again because he's bringing his religious views into his office to justify infringing on free speech on account of "decency".
 
My biggest issue with the Libertarian party is their stance on drugs and it always seems like the libertarians I talk to are so far out of touch with reality I can't take them serious. I know that's a pretty general statement and not all are like that, but it's like everything else you only remember the bad examples and nut cases not the good ones.
 
I am a conservative, first the democrats left me then the Republicans left me. I have little confidence in either party and you will often see me critisize both of them. Both have shown their stripes and it isn't anything to do with red white and blue.

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But like children, they have no patience, and no comprimise, and thus no base, nor any chance of winning anything even remotely important. Anyone with a lick of sense has left the party, which is being run by some seriously crazy people.
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+1. I agree for the most part with the libertarian views, but the party is just not a viable political entity, and they really have no one to blame but themselves.
 
Pretty much the fact that thier social theory is dubious, and the candidates they select for President are VERY strange people. The last one didn't file taxes for several years, dressed up in colonial costume and posed with an AR-15(?), and had the brilliant idea to subject every member of Congress to an extra-Constitutional political re-education camp before they could be seated.

Good God almighty, what boneheaded flapdoodle they spout.

Other than that, the fact that they have never been able to garner more than 0.3% of any Presidential vote tally.
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What he said.
 
what Arch and Rebar said +1.......wait, does that mean I'm guilty of group-think?


Disagreement with either of the 2 major party's platforms, doesn't automatically make me a Libertarian. Politics is far too complex to put everyone into one of 2 or 3 camps. People will look at the platforms of the parties and choose one, perhaps holding their nose.

I have some real issues with the Libertarian platform as well. Give me a normal Libertarian candidate with an equal chance of winning local or national office and I will give that candidate equal consideration in making my selection.
 
Count me as a Rational Anarchist. . .

The Libertarian viewpoint on immigration is wholly unacceptable to me, for one. There are other obstacles, too, in their platform and leadership, that are insurmountable.

The Democrats are a bunch of wussie complainers with a strong desire to make the government into THE mechanism that drives everything the unions don't. They also love the U.N. which I regard as a really venemous beast that should be killed without mercy, the quicker the better.

The Republicans expect me to adopt a whole host of absurd positions, of which I'll exemplify only three: that abortion is of concern to anybody except the folks directly involved and their physician; that what I have in my pocket is the government's business; that huge government over expenditures are somehow O.K. when they do it.

Sorry, but a pox on all their houses.

In my state you can declare which party's primary you want to vote in, so I decide depending on whether I want to vote for a weak candidate, hoping he or she will be defeated, or a strong one, in hopes of victory.
 
I am a conservative, first the democrats left me then the Republicans left me. I have little confidence in either party and you will often see me critisize both of them. Both have shown their stripes and it isn't anything to do with red white and blue.
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Exactly how I feel, Model 25. Both parties have turned their backs on the beliefs of The Founders. Both parties seek more and more power over We The People with less and less accountability. Definitely not what The Founders had in mind.

The big question - how do we stop it? - remains unanswered.
 
progunner1957 said:
The big question - how do we stop it? - remains unanswered.
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No. It was answered some time ago. Go and read the DofI again.

The real problem is that no ones wants to see that Tree of Liberty properly watered. Rather messy business, that.

That and the fact that there is no way for a real leader to stand up and make the call... The feds would waste such a man, the moment they got wind of him. There is a downside to instant communications...

MasterPieceArms, I have as many problems with the Libs as I do with the two real parties. While I'm of libertarian bent, I'm not a Libertarian.

First, I cannot in good conscience take that silly non-aggression oath. I'll be danged if I'm gonna let some other blighter strike me first... Not unless I'm ambushed, anyway.

Next, They say they are for the legalization of drugs... But they want to make sure smokers can't "ruin" the air for them. Just a might disingenuous, I would think.

Next, there's that bothersome open border policy.

Next, this constant focus on the presidency, all the while avoiding the Base Building at the local level. Hell, in my state, if you run as a Libertarian for a State Office, you had better finance it yourself, 'cause the party sure won't help you. Not much a showing as a Political Party if'n they can't help their own!

I could go on, but I think you get my drift.
 
The real problem is that no ones wants to see that Tree of Liberty properly watered. Rather messy business, that.

Just my opinion but there are things that will get the tree watered. If the politicions let a bomb come across the border and kill thousands of Americans I believe the people will lose faith in them and ask them to resign or water the tree. At least I hope this would be the case.

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