Dust Monkey
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Your are kidding right? Got fired, yeah right. Only in a perfect world.
what if your training led to this - Katrina confiscation
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Your are kidding right? Got fired, yeah right. Only in a perfect world.
oldbillthundercheif
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Fired from where?
A lot of the problem coppers were from out of state and came down to "help".
A lot of the problem coppers were from out of state and came down to "help".
Keep reading, the next word in the sentence, tends to change the whole meaning.
Sounds familiar doesnt it?
Its better to use people who are detached, as they will tend to do as they are told. Its usually a lot harder to get someone who lives there and is dealing with friends, neighbors, and relatives to do things they know better.
If this were true, then there'd be no point to the Second Amendment. However, I strongly disagree.
If you start out surrounded and no one comes to help you, then yes, they'll eventually kill or capture you if you resist. BUT -- if you kill more of them than they kill of you, then YOU win. They may get your guns, but it won't have been worth it to them.
We're all going to die someday, anyway. That is guaranteed -- and it might be slow and painful, as from some awful disease. So why shouldn't we be willing, if necessary, to die fighting for freedom? I came to terms with that long ago and decided that as long as I am alive, it will be free -- not as a disarmed slave to politicians and their JBTs.
Nevertheless, if I ever hear about gun confiscation in my neck of the woods, I will not sit around my house waiting to be surrounded. I'll go out and do a little sniping. If enough others do the same, then there is no way in hell the confiscators will win. Look at how much trouble the "D.C. Snipers" gave the authorities. They may have been bad guys, but we can learn something from them. They were only two people with one rifle!
Also look at the LA Riots, where the police hid away while the riots were taking place. If all the rioters had been armed with ARs, AKs, and FALs, I can guarantee you the cops would have been even more scared, and even the National Guard wouldn't have been able to handle things.
How many cops did it take to deal with a single shooter at Virginia Tech, or a couple of punks at Columbine? Now imagine that times 10,000.
Sorry, but there is NO way the police could handle a revolt against confiscation -- UNLESS too many gun owners willingly turned in their guns and their manhood. Let's all resolve today to never betray ourselves and our Constitution that others were willing to die for.
BTW, obxned, I like your signature and completely agree:
Limeyfellow
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If that many turned to armed rebellion the national guard would be called in no time. Even with 10000 armed men what are they going to do when main battle tanks and helecopters come. What then? You use IEDs? Suicide attacks?
I don't have citations, but I know there have been poles and such on military and LE personnel about how many would take up arms against U.S. citizens. I might have even seen that posted here on TFL. Anyway, as I recall, a pretty good percentage said they would not fight against citizens.
I wonder if any would abandon post and help out.
I wonder if any would abandon post and help out.
LightningJoe
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The critical thing here is for the LEOs themselves. They need to think through what they would do if instructed to confiscate the weapons of citizens. There's really very little we citizens can do other than lie and hide our guns. We can't shoot the cops. Even if we had the intention and even if we made bold statements on the Internet, we couldn't pull the trigger in the actual event (unless you're a nutjob).
So to the cops I would say, think it through, because others have received such instructions and you could be next. What will you do?
So to the cops I would say, think it through, because others have received such instructions and you could be next. What will you do?
Lesson learned from Katrina...
That people are sheep, and I would hope that if a disaster hit my area and law enforcement was strained, I would want the neighborhood to form a watchful militia and hope that no one would give up their guns, and if push came to shove that the neighborhood fight against both common criminals and JBTs.
Epyon
That people are sheep, and I would hope that if a disaster hit my area and law enforcement was strained, I would want the neighborhood to form a watchful militia and hope that no one would give up their guns, and if push came to shove that the neighborhood fight against both common criminals and JBTs.
Epyon
Why cant we shoot the cops? (I'm not a "twitch" nut job "twitch" by the way
) What makes them special? If they are breaking the law and their oath, their badge means nothing and they are no better than those they are leaving you defenseless against. Not that I'd like it, but if they actually protected you after they disarmed you, that might be a different thing, but we all know they have no duty to do so, and obviously, they did not do so after disarming law abiding gun owners.
The problem here is, no matter what you do, its all going to be a big mess at some point, and whats it matter who the threat is, you need to make the choice as to what your going to do, and preferably before hand and not as you go. I dont know about you, but I consider ANYONE pointing a gun at me to be a threat, whats it matter what they are wearing and/or by who's authority?
"Why cant we shoot the cops? (I'm not a "twitch" nut job "twitch" by the way ) What makes them special? "
Because if you go shooting at cops, they *will* make it their purpose in life to ruin your whole day. After it's all over, you'll be villified in the press as a nut job.
Tim
Because if you go shooting at cops, they *will* make it their purpose in life to ruin your whole day. After it's all over, you'll be villified in the press as a nut job.
Tim
Simple: You hide. No one is talking about facing tanks and helicopters with rifles. That would be open warfare. We're talking guerrilla warfare.Limeyfellow said:
What are they going to do, shell entire neighborhoods? Carpet-bomb entire cities? How could the government continue to function in such circumstances? Remember, the government would be trying to regain control, not cause anarchy and total economic collapse. When one country attacks another, it doesn't need to worry about such things, but in order for a government to survive, it cannot destroy its own population. It has to selectively destroy those who are fighting against it without damaging critical infrastructure, too many noncombatants, or (especially) its own personnel and their families.
Nevertheless, IEDs are certainly an option, and believe me, there is no shortage of people who know how to make high explosives in America. While making them is dangerous, it is easily done. I personally would avoid using them, however, due to the danger of killing innocent people.
My plan in the event of gun confiscation is simple: Leave my house with a rifle, scope, plenty of ammo, and whatever else I may need, and then snipe at any Nazi-ninja I see until I am killed myself (capture is not an option). The willingness to do this is the only -- I repeat, the ONLY -- thing that will keep America from becoming a disarmed police state if all political efforts fail. The ninja-commando-wannabes will be risking their lives for nothing more than a paycheck; I and others will be risking our lives for our country and our pride. Let the chips fall where they may.
If the cops are confiscating weapons, then screw what they think or what the press says. Let them try to ruin my day; I'll be trying just as hard to ruin theirs from many hundreds of yards away.TimRB said:
This country needs more "nut jobs" who are willing to fight against the enemies of the Constitution, should it come to that.
Dust Monkey
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Yes they did, but that is just it. Why did they have to pass legislation to prevent such a thing? Because it happened when it should not have.
Katrina taught us 2 things:
1. Generational welfare does not work
2. When ordered, LEO's will confiscate your weapons.
I dont care if you say it was only out of state LEO's. Or that is was not all LEO's. I dont care about excuses. LEO's proved during Katrina that they are not our friends, any of them.
NOW with that said. I do suggest that when interacting with an LEO you be nice, cooperate to the extent that you have to, and do not show your A$$. All of this chest beating is not helping at all.
Hmmm... I vaguely recall a period of history where a group of civilians with rifles took on the largest, most powerful army on Earth armed with artillery and such, and the citizens won.
Help me out here... sounds really familiar, if a bit far-fetched. This wasn't my imagination, was it?
Painting a broad picture on LEOs
While I agree that this should not have happened I disagree with so many of the comments concerning LEOs. The risk their lives everyday for you and your family. Are some bad -- yes -- but are all bad? No Way! I no numerous LEOs here in Texas and they are above reproach. Before you start painting such a broad brush you may want to remember this was Louisiana...
While I agree that this should not have happened I disagree with so many of the comments concerning LEOs. The risk their lives everyday for you and your family. Are some bad -- yes -- but are all bad? No Way! I no numerous LEOs here in Texas and they are above reproach. Before you start painting such a broad brush you may want to remember this was Louisiana...