What if a gang attacked me?

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A sign in a business window saying "no guns" is not a law--it's a policy of that business.
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Let's not be real quick to use a broad brush here. There are a number of states where that IS a law, and violating it can get you a fine, jail time, and loss of CCW license.
My point with CC is that if you carry in such a manner that no one is ever the wiser, what someone doesn't know isn't going to bother them.
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I think that sort of misses the point. Just because it is not known/discovered doesn't make it right. I don't know if my neighbor is stealing cable TV. But if he is, it is wrong and should not be condoned.
 
David Armstrong said:
Let's not be real quick to use a broad brush here.
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Mr. Armstrong, thank you for underlining that fact.

Many times during these debates I think that the generalities we use become "facts" as the discussion continues.

For example, as this thread stretched on it was clear to me that our use of the word "gang" translated to "any time I am outnumbered."

Obviously you cannot hide behind that if you are the aggressor and you are the one that initiated the attack.

Also, you have pointed out another flaw in the overall reasoning in private CCW. What is legal in East T-Shirt Iowa is not protected by the same statutes as in Eskimo Pants, Alaska.

Now, most of us enjoy target shooting and hunting and we're quite savvy abut the patchwork quilt of laws and their idiocy. But like them or not, if you break a law, you do the time.

My concern has always been that one guy in a thousand that thinks because he read something in a computer forum it is fact and protection under law.

This is the nut-job who stumbles into a Denny's Restaurant at zero-dark-thirty. He finds me and a few friends peacefully out on the highway trying to get home, and comes up blazing because an individual is always 'right' when facing a 'gang.'

He knows this. He read it in a forum.
 
The Tourist, what kind of attitude is that you are cultivating on your own behalf? Don't you think I and most others here can differ between black scumbag and a decent black person? It's not the color of a person's skin that defines a person; it's his attitude.

Wake up, will you? Or do you take pride in dragging down the black community?
 
David Armstrong said:
LOL! I agree
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It's very serious to me. (And that comment is not directed to you, I find the situation humorous, myself.)

I was once banned from a forum because they believed I only posed as a real biker.

Their 'evidence'?

Well, I admitted to being white collar, I have a college degree, and my use of language "was not something they had ever seen." Hence, I must be a poser.

The day it happened I was so angry I actually imagined driving my front wheel over the groin of the instigator, crushing his gonads, and laughing, "Well, this isn't really happening, you said this bike doesn't truly exist!"

But, for the purposes of this debate (and frankly other ones) I feel you should always be careful in stating facts, privileges as opposed to rights, quotes from media sources, and the implications of historical situations.

Or, come see me and watch me sharpen. You can polish the chrome on my bike while you wait. (I'm still ticked off.)
 
For the life of me, I can't see where njtrigger singled out bikers, Tourist. In fact, I rarely hear of bikers being referred to as a gang. I think he's referring more to true gangs like MS-13, Crips, Bloods, etc.
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I agree 100%. The response regarding "smartass townies" and bikers was just typical "wrong-side-of-the-tracks-upbringing", lower middle-class silliness.
 
I still think that if one person insults your group, then ONE person from your group steps up. I just don't see a situation where "Barney Fife" would require more than one person to set him straight.
 
stay armed

Stay armed and loaded to the hilt, and when you sense one of these altercations about to happen turn around and say which one of you m-fer's wants to die first.. they're nothing but punks I say kill'em all or die trying, just my advice.:D
 
take the isreali approach.

krav magna. maga? not sure the spelling.. but it's mostly yiddish for wail on some ass, I think. standard issue for the mossad, isreali defense (offense?) forces. incorporates weapons (knives, pistols, m16s with bayonets, whatever). looks fairly effective, although I've never had any formal training in it or any other fighting art.

all that being said, I think you're better off to do all you can to be sure you don't get into such scenarios in the first place.
 
Alleykat said:
The response regarding "smartass townies" and bikers was just typical "wrong-side-of-the-tracks-upbringing"
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Why should my meal be interrupted because some brain-donor can't keep his hands to himself? Why does graduating from college make me a target? Why does my ownership of a Harley imply anything?

The fact is that idiots come in all flavors. A biker quietly eating dinner is not a target for your amusement. So don't be surprised is your smart alec comments land you on the floor with a boot in your azz.

BTW, it's my experience that today's bikers make a whole lot more money and come from a better neighborhood than their detractors. Every price a Harley?

As for my upbringing, I always know which fork to use.
 
Wildalaska said:
which fork to use...Ummm...the one with the spike thingies?
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No, but it's the one just to the left...

I'm going to harp on this thing until the Walter Mitty's get it right.

It's the Barney Fifes that usually start fights.

Why would a scarred, rock-hard muscled 250 pound throttle jockey grab a bespeckled weinie in a public place--and then need six other guys to help put him down?

Sorry, pal, it don't happen.

Now, do drunken townies wander over to guys to impress their girl friends, or more properly their drinking buddies. Yes, all of the time.

Now, listen up. This is important.

After the idiot is thrown out, squealing into the night, a Monday morning appears on the horizon, and Einstein has to go back to work at the carwash, or The Goodwill sorting center or his plasma donation outlet.

His face has been pummeled by a really angry guy who has just been served a perfect cheeseburger after a hard day of really working, and the innocent guy is miffed.

So, the now sober townie is asked by his equally squalid friends what happened. And he doesn't want to admit the truth. So through his remaining eleven teeth (you'll remember that one aspect of a townie is that they have the same number of teeth as toes) he whimpers...

"It was a gang, I tell ya.' It was six, no fourteen bikers/cowboys/stevedores with wrought iron muscles, each one carrying a dozen weapons. Of course, I successfully fought them all off bravely, until another twenty jumped me from behind..."

Yakkety, yakkety. If I've heard this story once...

My question is simply this. Why do you so easily believe the idiot, and not me?
 
And with that -- this thread has wandered a long way from realistically discussing strategies and tactics.

Closed.

pax
 
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