What happens if you forget your stamp?

Seems a large percentage of my production goes to TX, something about feral hogs being a problem.

If the customers are OK with an abusive law it's not my problem, but where I live I do all I can to keep such abuse at bay.
Been pretty successful to date.
 
If the customers are OK with an abusive law it's not my problem, but where I live I do all I can to keep such abuse at bay.
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From a practical standpoint, TX law relating to silencers & machineguns is virtually identical to federal law.

From both a federal and a state standpoint, it's a felony to own/possess silencers or machineguns.
From both a federal and a state standpoint, having the proper paperwork makes it legal.
From both a federal and a state standpoint, that paperwork is the NFA mandated paperwork.

In other words, TX law pretty much mirrors federal law in terms of practical implementation. I guess you could make the point that both the state and federal laws are abusive, but I don't really see the distinction that makes one abusive while the other is acceptable.
Strikes me as a warrant-less search, not going to cooperate with that.
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How many times have you refused to cooperate with an LEO at the range when asked for evidence that your NFA items are legally possessed?
 
The short answer is: don't forget copies of your stamps.
I keep photocopies of all of them in my range bag, as well as individual copies with each item. I also keep scans of the forms on my phone in .pdf format.
 
Yeah, I'm like a few of the prev posters.

I keep copies in range bags, my vehicle, wife's vehicle that I only drive 5% of time, pdf's on my iPhone and wife's (even tho she doesn't shoot with them - if my phone is dead).

Hopefully, that provides enough redundancy to prevent a stampless situation from ever occurring.

For what it's worth, I've been pulled over for speeding twice in last six years since getting CCW and I actually got treated better in both cases by the officers, after offering up my CCW license to them, than I ever did before getting CCW.
 
Sometimes you can get in trouble with local law even when you don't have an NFA firearm. An acquaintance had an M1A and decided to play pretend by putting on one of those phony selector switches. A cop who was a VN vet saw the gun and went ballistic. The owner was not arrested, but he spent several hours on a Sunday afternoon "assisting the police" while they got their FI guy off the golf course to confirm that the rifle was not full auto.

The owner took the dummy selector off.

(Sure, I know "he shudda done this" or "he cudda said that", but when surrounded by real cops who might not have a sense of humor, most folks prefer not to tell them off and rant about "rights".)
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I kind of want to buy one.

It would match the non operational selector on my M16A1 clone.
 
Meh, I never bring my nfa paperwork out. The only folks who ever asked for it were knowitalls that then immediately spouted off some misconceptions about nfa like "I don't buy that because the government can inspect your house with a tinfoil detector whenever they want...."

I usually just ask them to produce their auto liscence, registration, and proof of insurance, and they usually just go away or tell me a story about how their buddy's cousin put a fake selector switch on their rifle and next thing you know the old gunny next lane over is calling Barney Hill and TJ Hooker on his jitterbug. I try to be as sincere about wishing them a good day as possible, but honestly it's just a giant waste of time, so the nfa stuff has been staying home lately.
 
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Ive never been asked for any paperwork either. I had one of my SBR's and a suppresor on the range today. A cpl guy came over and asked about the gear but no inquiries about the papers

I do have pics of the form 1's and 4's in my phone and paper copies in my range box, but i never expect to need to show em to a range Nazi or even the local LEO's.
 
a story about how their buddy's cousin put a fake selector switch on their rifle and next thing you know the old gunny next lane over is calling Barney Hill and TJ Hooker on his jitterbug.
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You are dismissing half the fun in owning NFA! I love it when some folks make up a bunch of horse-crap about NFA ownership. The more authoritative they are the more wild and interesting the stories.

Let's see:

"....you know, ATF will send an agent to search your house in the middle of the night because you own that thing..."

"...my boss's buddy got his Class 4 license and he can legally convert any gun into a machine gun..."

"...aren't you worried that having that machine gun will put you on the FBI's terrorist list?"

"...See, Paul, I told you it was easy to convert a Mini-14 into a machine gun..."

"...is that legal?":eek:

Oh, and yes, I always keep a copy of my stamped Form 4 with me when take my AC556 or USAS-12 (stamped Form 1) anywhere.
 
There is state law and there is federal / NFA law I'm still arguing with the state of CT regarding form1's and an SBR. Not a handcuff issue but still while creating the NFA item is perfectly legal the state has their own ideas and currently the ATF is differing to them on the issue so state is in fact trumping federal.
 
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...while creating the NFA item is perfectly legal the state has their own ideas and currently the ATF is differing to them on the issue so state is in fact trumping federal.
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In general, federal law supersedes state law (see Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2). But under general federal preemption principles, unless Congress has shown in the statutes enacted regarding a particular subject an intent to "occupy the field" (i. e., foreclose any regulation by States regarding the subject matter), a State may also enact laws on the subject; and those laws will be enforceable by state authorities.

So in general state laws regarding NFA items which are more restrictive than federal law will be valid and enforceable in those States. So while what you're doing might be perfectly legal under federal law, if it's illegal under the laws of the State in which you're doing it, what you're doing is illegal.
 
I think someone mentioned that amnesty registration in 1968 did not involve a stamp; that is true. Since there was no tax paid, there was no physical stamp applied to the returned Form 4467. At the bottom of the form there is a section marked "For Use of Internal Revenue Service", which has a space for a date, and a signature. Both were applied with a rubber stamp and that form then became proof of registration.

Jim
 
"Cop stuck his snout where it didn't belong-should have it notched for his trouble."

Tell me, Mobuck, would you have "notched" the cop's snout? I think that would be called felonious assault on a police officer, and possibly other charges that could put you in prison for a long time, plus no more guns for you, forever.

And just FYI, in this state, machineguns have to be registered with the STATE, in addition to the Federal law, so the cop was dealing with a suspected violation of STATE law, where his "snout" does belong.

Jim
 
"Tell me, Mobuck, would you have "notched" the cop's snout? I think that would be called felonious assault on a police officer, and possibly other charges that could put you in prison for a long time, plus no more guns for you, forever."

I keep forgetting that far too many folks don't have a "rural background". Notching a hog's snout is a way to discourage them from "rooting where they shouldn't". Just a euphemism for "keeping your nose out of other folks business".
I'm slow but I'm not going to rise to your bait this time.
 
I am not trying to "bait" anyone. No, I do not raise hogs, and even if "notching a snout" is merely an expression, it suggests an attack on a LEO, something that is not in the spirit of this site.

Jim
 
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