What does Michael Moore really think about America?
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Ah, so O'Keefe is the victim of a "neocon" conspiracy! Gotcha. 
So he did see a C-130, but he really didn't see a C-130. And the FBI, are also still trying to pull out their neocon-implanted chips three and half years later so they can think straight again, and decide whether there was a second plane or not. Gotcha now. Now it "all makes sense"!
I've seen the light folks.. well .. Elvis told me actually. Hani Hanjour, who otherwise couldn't fly a Cessna - was really Luke Skywalker! That's how he managed to fly a 757 with such daring skill and precision .. it was the Farce that was with him! Wow. Now it's all clear!
Dave85,
It's a matter of record actually, and this is just a few items. All this was publicized at one time or another - but did not make CNN, or the Larry King show. Maybe you should start reading some "French best sellers".
Cactus,
Good question. Come to think of it, I'd like to see the wreckage inventory from Flight 93 as well. Seems that it left a long trail - including an engine - miles from the main impact site. If a 757 did hit the Pentagon, it lost it's wings somewhere along the way as well If you look at the published photographs of the remaining building, the only damage outside of the later demolished section (the one that started off with only a hole in it) to the left spans two windows at ground level. From the the third on, the frames are not even bent up. They are only missing glass. Impressive frames considering the impact of a few tons of aluminum, carbon composite, titanium, steel, tungsten etc. Not to mention a couple of engines weighing plenty apiece. I have seen video documentary footage of the lawn in front of the impact zone - before the front was bulldozed and gravel laid out for heavy equipment to drive over. The lawn was visibly untouched. So Hani Luke Skywalker Hanjour dropped both engines on the final approach as well - because to hit the ground floor, those engines would have gouged some big furrows on that almost pristine lawn.
Take a another look at these guys and tell me that Burlingame, a combat veteran fighter jockey, relinquished control of a 757 to them. Incidently, one of them - Salem Al-Hamzi - is alive and well. He works at a petroleum plant in Yanbou, Saudi Arabia.....
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm
According to CNN, Hani Luke Skywalker Hanjour, didn't need a "flight path" to hit the Pentagon - he took the direct route from the mother ship ....
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/map.html
So he did see a C-130, but he really didn't see a C-130. And the FBI, are also still trying to pull out their neocon-implanted chips three and half years later so they can think straight again, and decide whether there was a second plane or not. Gotcha now. Now it "all makes sense"!I've seen the light folks.. well .. Elvis told me actually. Hani Hanjour, who otherwise couldn't fly a Cessna - was really Luke Skywalker! That's how he managed to fly a 757 with such daring skill and precision .. it was the Farce that was with him! Wow. Now it's all clear!
Dave85,
It's a matter of record actually, and this is just a few items. All this was publicized at one time or another - but did not make CNN, or the Larry King show. Maybe you should start reading some "French best sellers".
Cactus,
Good question. Come to think of it, I'd like to see the wreckage inventory from Flight 93 as well. Seems that it left a long trail - including an engine - miles from the main impact site. If a 757 did hit the Pentagon, it lost it's wings somewhere along the way as well
If you look at the published photographs of the remaining building, the only damage outside of the later demolished section (the one that started off with only a hole in it) to the left spans two windows at ground level. From the the third on, the frames are not even bent up. They are only missing glass. Impressive frames considering the impact of a few tons of aluminum, carbon composite, titanium, steel, tungsten etc. Not to mention a couple of engines weighing plenty apiece. I have seen video documentary footage of the lawn in front of the impact zone - before the front was bulldozed and gravel laid out for heavy equipment to drive over. The lawn was visibly untouched. So Hani Luke Skywalker Hanjour dropped both engines on the final approach as well - because to hit the ground floor, those engines would have gouged some big furrows on that almost pristine lawn.Take a another look at these guys and tell me that Burlingame, a combat veteran fighter jockey, relinquished control of a 757 to them. Incidently, one of them - Salem Al-Hamzi - is alive and well. He works at a petroleum plant in Yanbou, Saudi Arabia.....
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm
According to CNN, Hani Luke Skywalker Hanjour, didn't need a "flight path" to hit the Pentagon - he took the direct route from the mother ship
....http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/map.html
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Fred Hansen
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There couldn't possibly be more than one Salem Al-Hamzi in all the world.
But even if there could/couldn't be, it certainly would be outside the boundaries of acceptable conduct for a death-cult psychotic to assume another's identity. Not cricket you know.
Fred,
You mean like the "coincidence" that Nick Berg had been "careless with his email address and password" (whatever that means) and he had shared an e-mail account with Zacarias Moussaoui while he had been "taking flying lessons" in 1999?
Seeing as it is three and a half years later though, Elvis has had plenty of time to tell us who this particular man really was - if he (whoever he was) was indeed on the plane at all. In a feat of marvelous forensics the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology claimed to have identified nearly all the bodies involved in November 2001.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/stripe/6_48/national_news/12279-1.html
CNN reported that according to American Airlines, Flight 77 had 64 people on board.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
There is a slight problem though. There are no arabs on the list of persons on board Flight 77 and there are no arabs on the autopsy list of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
So maybe "Salem Al-Hamzi" - whoever he might be, was not on Flight 77 at all. Three and a half years and counting ....
You mean like the "coincidence" that Nick Berg had been "careless with his email address and password" (whatever that means) and he had shared an e-mail account with Zacarias Moussaoui while he had been "taking flying lessons" in 1999?
Seeing as it is three and a half years later though, Elvis has had plenty of time to tell us who this particular man really was - if he (whoever he was) was indeed on the plane at all. In a feat of marvelous forensics the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology claimed to have identified nearly all the bodies involved in November 2001.
http://www.dcmilitary.com/army/stripe/6_48/national_news/12279-1.html
CNN reported that according to American Airlines, Flight 77 had 64 people on board.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
There is a slight problem though. There are no arabs on the list of persons on board Flight 77 and there are no arabs on the autopsy list of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
So maybe "Salem Al-Hamzi" - whoever he might be, was not on Flight 77 at all. Three and a half years and counting ....
Fred Hansen
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And maybe Zombie mind-control was used to crash the plane. Or maybe the Sun will be green when it comes up tomorrow. Or maybe the Bushies really are diabolical, and you will wind up spirited away to become Mikey Moore's 'bunky' at a yet to be named detainee center. Certainly any government capable of zombie mind-control is capable of all those things and more.
Fred Hansen
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I don't see anyone accepting what you say. Well, except the occasional DU troll, but who counts them?
Fred,
It is not a matter of anyone "accepting what I say". It was the flight schools that said Hanjour wasn't even competent enough to handle a Cessna, it was a flight school that submitted a report to the FAA on the grounds that they thought his "pilot's license" was fake due to his lack of ability, and it was a flight school that refused to rent him a small plane.
http://www.newsday.com/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story
It was air traffic controllers that stated that they thought that what was believed to be flight 77 on the radar was moving and maneuvering like a military jet. Not me ...
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane" - Danielle O'Brien, Air Traffic Controller, Dulles.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020_011024_atc_feature.html
It was eye witnesses that have stated that the aircraft that struck the Pentagon came sweeping in at ground level, and eye witnesses like O'Keefe that saw a second aircraft right behind it. I have worked around alot of C-130s and would not mistake one for anything else. O'Keefe evidently was at least familiar with them as well, and even if it was not, it could only have been confused with a similar large four-prop of similar size.
Have you ever flown a plane? I have. It takes an element of skill to keep even a small single engine prop like a Cessna in a smooth and safe flying attitude because of the multi-elements of maintaining straight and level flight. There is pitch, yaw, horizon, roll, etc. Then there is rate of turn, loading factors, and constants that must be observed such as airspeed. For instance, when a plane is banked past a certain point in a turn there are factors which must be taken into account or it is easy to get into trouble fast. And then there is atmospheric wind speed and direction, changes etc. So Hanjour, who was not even able to fly a Cessna safely, flew a 757 like a military jet?
O'Brien's testimony (and those who saw it fly in a ground level) indicate that whoever was flying the aircraft that is claimed to have struck the Pentagon was an experienced and extraordinary pilot. Ask some experienced airline pilots what they think of it when all of this juxtaposed with what the flight schools said of Hanjour. Ask them what they thought of the footage of the aircraft that hit the WTC. One factor that is very evident is that they were being flown with an element of precision. They were not under the control of "student" pilots.
There is another issue with Hanjour's flight, and that is one of navigation. Using IFR is no easy task, yet Hanjour is alleged to have navigated a 757 off it's scheduled flightpath, found a course in the direction of the WH, then pulled an abrupt and spectacular 360, and vectored in to the Pentagon precisely in a rapid descent and came in at ground level. A Pan Am international Flight Academy employee said that Hanjour took three hours over a twenty minute problem and still gave the wrong answer in a test.
To quote another flight school employee of Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix; "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/national/04ARIZ.html?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/national/main310721.shtml
It is not a matter of anyone "accepting what I say". It was the flight schools that said Hanjour wasn't even competent enough to handle a Cessna, it was a flight school that submitted a report to the FAA on the grounds that they thought his "pilot's license" was fake due to his lack of ability, and it was a flight school that refused to rent him a small plane.
http://www.newsday.com/ny-usflight232380680sep23.story
It was air traffic controllers that stated that they thought that what was believed to be flight 77 on the radar was moving and maneuvering like a military jet. Not me ...
"The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane" - Danielle O'Brien, Air Traffic Controller, Dulles.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020_011024_atc_feature.html
It was eye witnesses that have stated that the aircraft that struck the Pentagon came sweeping in at ground level, and eye witnesses like O'Keefe that saw a second aircraft right behind it. I have worked around alot of C-130s and would not mistake one for anything else. O'Keefe evidently was at least familiar with them as well, and even if it was not, it could only have been confused with a similar large four-prop of similar size.
Have you ever flown a plane? I have. It takes an element of skill to keep even a small single engine prop like a Cessna in a smooth and safe flying attitude because of the multi-elements of maintaining straight and level flight. There is pitch, yaw, horizon, roll, etc. Then there is rate of turn, loading factors, and constants that must be observed such as airspeed. For instance, when a plane is banked past a certain point in a turn there are factors which must be taken into account or it is easy to get into trouble fast. And then there is atmospheric wind speed and direction, changes etc. So Hanjour, who was not even able to fly a Cessna safely, flew a 757 like a military jet?
O'Brien's testimony (and those who saw it fly in a ground level) indicate that whoever was flying the aircraft that is claimed to have struck the Pentagon was an experienced and extraordinary pilot. Ask some experienced airline pilots what they think of it when all of this juxtaposed with what the flight schools said of Hanjour. Ask them what they thought of the footage of the aircraft that hit the WTC. One factor that is very evident is that they were being flown with an element of precision. They were not under the control of "student" pilots.
There is another issue with Hanjour's flight, and that is one of navigation. Using IFR is no easy task, yet Hanjour is alleged to have navigated a 757 off it's scheduled flightpath, found a course in the direction of the WH, then pulled an abrupt and spectacular 360, and vectored in to the Pentagon precisely in a rapid descent and came in at ground level. A Pan Am international Flight Academy employee said that Hanjour took three hours over a twenty minute problem and still gave the wrong answer in a test.
To quote another flight school employee of Pan Am International Flight Academy in Phoenix; "I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/national/04ARIZ.html?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/national/main310721.shtml
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Fred Hansen
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And so we are back to the C-130 using the NeoCon 5000 to induce halucinations on the ground, and the PapaDoc XTremo Zombie mind-control ray to fly the plane. Fair enough. ROTFLMFAO
Speak for yourself. Listen to pilots, engineers and other people who know. Many of them don't bow to the bull peddlers in the White House - be they "democrat" or "republican" - and are more credible than Ari Fleischer and co's tripe show. What they have peddled on the attacks is pure fiction. Star Wars.
Fred Hansen
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I do. I live in the Seattle area. I have 7 friends (all of whom are former military) who are airline pilots. I know a dozen and a half engineers and managers from Boeing/Boeing Aerospace. I even have a friend who pioneered static dispersal systems for composite aircraft components. I guess that they're all in on the great conspiracy since none of them buy what you are trying to sell.
I notice that you have danced around what you feel really happened. Why not give us all of the real facts that you are privy to.
I'll guess and say that you are a proponent of the "remote control" theory where Dick Cheney and his henchmen fly the plane(s) from the depths of the Batcave. Or are you one of the Mossad pilots/Jewish Conspiracy proponents? Or do you subscribe to Mr. Moore's belief that the NeoCons - read that Jews - tricked Bush into 9/11 in order to further the agenda of Big Oil? That's one of my favorites. That way the evil Jews, and the evil Arabs, get to fulfill their human history long conspiracy of only seeming to constantly attack each other in order to lull defenseless dupe Americanerswine into obsequiously doing their master's bidding.
Fred Hansen
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I forgot to add my friend who is a helo pilot, or should I only listen to fixed wing guys? :barf:
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OrangeSkies
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Who cares what Michael Moron thinks? :barf:
Fred,
Jewish Conspiracy proponents? What kind of "Jews" are you talking about? Please define them ... if you can. Half my family and relatives are "Jewish" - engineers, physicist - a rabbi even. You are really reaching now aren't you?
Whatever "theory" may fit, the Bush adminstration - and the supporting wing of the "democratic opposition" party in this - are not being honest and have made nothing available to answer the many unanswered questions. Their story is full of contradictions and holes.
Funny you mention "remote control"; Kent Hill, a pilot (USAF retired) and friend of Burlingame has spoken some about that. He seems to think it is quite likely, but I am not convinced it was a 757 that hit the Pentagon anyway.
You and your friends are welcome to swallow it whole. I do not, and many others - whether you like or not - pilots, engineers, and other professionals, both conservative and otherwise, do not buy it either.
They do not buy the idea that Hani Luke Skywalker I-can't-fly-a-plane-but-the-FAA-gave-me-a-license Hanjour flew a Boeing 757 around for the better part of an hour like a fighter jet and flew it into the Pentagon. Or that Burlingame would have even allowed him or anyone else to get control of the aircraft.
But we know, the Farce was with him
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"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon .... He could not fly at all."
Jewish Conspiracy proponents? What kind of "Jews" are you talking about? Please define them ... if you can. Half my family and relatives are "Jewish" - engineers, physicist - a rabbi even. You are really reaching now aren't you?
Whatever "theory" may fit, the Bush adminstration - and the supporting wing of the "democratic opposition" party in this - are not being honest and have made nothing available to answer the many unanswered questions. Their story is full of contradictions and holes.
Funny you mention "remote control"; Kent Hill, a pilot (USAF retired) and friend of Burlingame has spoken some about that. He seems to think it is quite likely, but I am not convinced it was a 757 that hit the Pentagon anyway.
You and your friends are welcome to swallow it whole. I do not, and many others - whether you like or not - pilots, engineers, and other professionals, both conservative and otherwise, do not buy it either.
They do not buy the idea that Hani Luke Skywalker I-can't-fly-a-plane-but-the-FAA-gave-me-a-license Hanjour flew a Boeing 757 around for the better part of an hour like a fighter jet and flew it into the Pentagon. Or that Burlingame would have even allowed him or anyone else to get control of the aircraft.
But we know, the Farce was with him
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"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon .... He could not fly at all."