What 3 reloading factors most affect accuracy...?

Bart B, post #34:
What is meant by "bullet balance" and how can it be determined if it so exists? It sounds like this is something you have no control over and just have to trust that it is "there" from the manufacturing process. I assume bullet balance relates to being out of balance, or not, as it rotates. That should qualify as one of the big three for accuracy.
 
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Here come the flames...

1. Learn to shoot.
Most of the top end shooters spent years learning form follows function.
I *Thought* I knew how to shoot because I rarely missed anything under 300 yards (at 17 years old).

The military taught me how to shoot over 1,000 yards.

2. Pick a firearm that you can literally shoot all day.
If you try to shoot a .300 WinMag 2,500 times a week,
You won't stay with it long...

3. Know your chamber/barrel.
How much 'Bullet Jump' (Free Bore) the barrel has,
That tells you how long your loaded cartridge needs to be at the Olgive.

Know your twist rate, so you will know what weight/bearing surface bullet it will stablize.

Know how 'Tight' the chamber is.
Cases ARE going to blow out oversize when they are fired,
Determine if your chamber is excessively oversized.

4. Admit you are NOT smarter than the 10s of thousands of manufacturers, builders, science professionals that have done this research for well over 100 years.
'Maximum' or 'Heavy' powder loads are rarely the most accurate.
Stick to recommended 'Safe' loads published.

Added velocity *CAN* increase accuracy, when all other things are EXACTLY CORRECT.
All other times it just adds another wild card variable to the situation.

5. Loading for a single rifle/handgun?
OR,
For more than one firearm in the same caliber?

For ONE specific firearm, you can leave the case blown out,
Just neck resize, push the shoulder back where it belongs,
Resize the neck to hold another bullet...

If you are building ammo that *MIGHT* (any possibility at all it could wind up in a different firearm),
You have no choice other than to resize to SAAMI specification.

From personal experence, other than some exotic caliber bench rifles,
Hyper accurate to begin with,
I don't see any real advantage to just neck resizing...
Its easy enough to shoot a .223 Rem, 10 shot group @100 yds you can cover with a dime using SAAMI resized cases.

If you have a rifle of putting 10 rounds through the same hole, you wouldn't be asking questions here... So a dime or even quarter size group should be a goal for now as you gain experence.

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I check chamber concentricy with the bore of the rifle.
Chambers and bores are two different cuts,
The chamber often doesn't line up with the bore.

I check to see how far off the rifling lands the bullet sets in a SAAMI sized case.
You *Normally* don't want the bullet to 'Jump' a long way, picking up speed and then slamming into the rifling.
Seat your bullets in the case accordingly to close up excessive 'Free Bore'.

This is as easy as seating a QUALITY bullet in a case with a good crimp,
(No primer or powder)
Stick it in the chamber, rotate it to see where the rub marks show up on bullet & case.
Make each one a little longer until you get a bullet rub on the rifling when rotating.
(No primer/powder means you can thread the primer hole and use an extension to rotate the case. No sense in buying expensive tools to gauge ONE firearm chamber)

When you get a rub on the bullet, then seat your bullets about 0.002" deeper in the case.
That's all there is to it...

I use 'Match' or 'Close Tolerance' dies for all rifle cases.
Common dies for handgun.
 
Old Roper,

They don't call F-Class "belly benchrest" for nothing. It's a pity the sport drifted away from practical shooting, now all the guys I know, even in F-T/R are shooting custom sticks with thousands of dollars in it. The last purchase a buddy of mine made had to have the barrel fluted as an afterthought just to get under the max weight for F-T/R for 308 Win. Heck of a rifle though, right bolt left port, Bartlein barrel, real sweet shooter pushing Berger 185 Juggernauts.

But, it's a sport where you get to use bipods and sand socks to minimize the human influence, so what it comes down to is who can read the wind the best that day. Nothing wrong with that, especially if your "hunting" is varminting from the prone.

However there is even an AR benchrest and Shotgun benchrest subculture, which doesn't make too much sense to me, but as long as people are having fun that's all that really matters. Of course I don't want to be carrying a benchrest AR for room clearing, and definitely don't want a benchrest shotgun for water fowling or trap/skeet shooting.

Jimro
 
Top 3 in reloading for me would be, case headspace, bullet & powder. This post is over 4 years old, hope his question was answered. Bart B hasn't been around for awhile, hope he's OK.
 
condor bravo, that post sounded a little screwy to me. Thought he was thinking of at first a crown or twist problem. How would you check a manufacturing problem. That's another ball game. condor I listed a post about removing the ejector on a Rem. 700. Causing pressure on one side of a chambered round causing it to cant to the side. Did you hear of this? Just read an article about improving accuracy for bench rest shooters. Removed mine, case layes on the follower, works better for me, l load one at a time. Will see if it improves accuracy.
 
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Yes I saw the post about removing the extractor on model 700s, and I thought the post was yours, but can't find it again. You are going to give it a try though, any little bit may help. The bullet balance post wasn't really that clear but it seems it is something you have no control over.
 
condor bravo,

You can control for bullet imbalance if you "test and cull" to make match bullets even more uniform: http://www.space-electronics.com/Products/se199-se300

Generally that's not something I worry about though as my accuracy goals are to make myself a better shot, not have the absolute utmost in precision from the gear.

Honestly the best investment I ever made for becoming more accurate was getting a good air rifle.

Jimro
 
By "reloading factors", I'm going to assume the OP means those things having to do with reloading, and assumes that the gun in reasonable functional, and the shooter is reasonable competent.

1. Bullet selection, and compatibility with your gun - by far the most critical.

2. Powder selection and optimum charge.

I don't have a 3rd one. Everything else, provided it's reasonably within spec - case prep, cases, seating depth, primers, is fine tuning your base load developed on the first two factors.
 
Jimro:
Detecting the center of gravity, that makes sense. I pulled up your link but so far don't have the courage to go any further since the system looks pricey. There is always a solution to about everything it seems.
 
Factors; I have rifles that are like people, when it comes to ammo a few of my rifles do not like anything; about the people part, there are a few people that do not like anyone and then I wonder if they even like themselves.

Not far from me lives a very disciplined reloader. I called him from the range to explain to him about this rifle, it was something like a co·nun·drum.. He did not believe the last rifle I took to the range should have been as accurate as it was and the next one should have been more accurate. Anyhow; I stopped by for a visit and we started reloading for my rifle. I was thinking if that rifle liked anything we were going to find it. Most disappointing for him, that rifle shot patterns like a shotgun and that is the reason I will never purchase another Winchester. We had words. But I have to admit they returned the rifle in a new box.

F. Guffey
 
Jimro, that se199 is over the top. If I could group one hole 5 shot groups at 200 yards all the time then maybe. But for now I'll stick to he basics.
 
An important and often out of control variable is wind. That is why they did it in a warehouse, less wind.

I stopped by to visit Hornady in Nebraska; among the few things we discussed was the shooting range. I ask them where it was located; they said I drove over it when I drove around the building. I was thinking if they were shooting on-sight I wanted to avoid their neighbors because they could not be happy with all of the noise.

F. Guffey
 
Read the Houston Warehouse Story

If you haven't read The Secrets of the Houston Warehouse... it is pure speculation. Read it. You’ll learn a lot. Especially that there are lots of so called experts promoting different theories on reloading that are simply BS.

That is about as sill as saying “Try it, you will like it”. There are members that do not agree with me so they call SAAMI, I love those responses; they fall right in with “Hatcher said…”, it is not that I disagree with Hatcher, it is more about the person quoting Hatcher that does not understand what Hatcher said.

And then there is that amazing story about a man from Washington going to the big shootout, he did not bring a rifle he accepted the first rifle they handed him. If it had anything to do with the ammo or the shooter any rifle would have worked; it didn’t. He had to leave the range and select a rifle from a rack of rifles. I love those types of stories. And then there was the shooter that set the world record. He did not hover over his ammo; he took the cases out of the box, loaded them and won. After that bench resters claimed ‘all you ‘gotta’ do is full length size the case and that is it. No one considered the cases he used were a match for the chamber. And; they always leave out the part about how much that rifle cost to build. Since then bench resters always start the sentence us with bench resters has not necked there cases in 20+? Years.

F. Guffey
 
Keep in mind this is a zombie thread. It hadn't had a post since 2012 until Schleeb posted, so many of the participants have moved on. Bart stopped posting here awhile back, but posts on other forums. I don't know why he dropped us, but I did contact him to make sure he was OK and he said he is.

Bart's post, is basically correct. Bullet balance in this context is mass symmetry around the longitudinal axis of the bullet. Because a bullet spins around its center of gravity when it is in flight, one whose CG isn't centered will have its surface spinning eccentrically. This results in what is commonly called bullet trajectory line wobble, as the trajectory then has a corkscrew shape to the extent the nose position flies eccentrically.

Bart posted in the past about Mid Tompkins's experiment with D46 FMJ's some decades ago. He got a special collet made for a Dremel tool that held the bullets. When he spun the tool up, the eccentric wobble of the unbalanced ones created enough side loading on the Dremel bearings to measurable increase the current draw of the motor. Mid used this to sort bullets, with the lowest current draw bullets segregated out as being best. From one of Bart's posts on this:

Bart B said:
The perfect ones put 10-shot groups from .7 to 1.5 inches at 600 yards, the others {were} inside 10 inches with {a} few in the middle.

Harold Vaughn did a version of this experiment for his book Rifle Accuracy Facts, in which he put dynamic headphone elements on a small tube machined and drilled to suspend a bullet on an air bearing and spin it using compressed air. Eccentricity caused the bullet to spin closer to the side of the tube, creating a sound output at the spin frequency that got louder with greater asymmetry. He, too, found bullet seated this way group better than unsorted ones.

There was also a tool designed by Vern Juenke that used ultrasonic sensors to identify jacket thickness irregularities. It was concluded by him that this was the primary source of mass asymmetry in cup and core bullets, and his apparatus turns bullets slowly while ultrasonic transducers measure jacket thickness by wave reflection. Someone bought him out, but their site doesn't leave you confident they have any real idea what they're doing. They sell only parts kits for close to 2 large, then tell you that you'll need Rainman skills to make it work and won't guarantee you can make it work and won't fix it if it doesn't. I get the impression they don't know themselves how to put one together and make it work reliably. I haven't seen these kits widely available. It's yet another bullet sorting scheme, as the other two methods are.

So, why does wobble reduce accuracy? It does increase drag (decrease effective bullet ballistic coefficient) a little because the CG and center of pressure of a bullet are co-located in a balanced bullet, but not in a wobbling one. That off-center CG results in the bullet constantly having some amount of coning motion, where its nose and base describe small circles whose centers pass through the CG. In a perfectly balanced bullet this settles out into the yaw of repose, but never settling out completely means always exposing a tiny amount of side profile to the air stream, which increases drag in proportion to the square of the sine of the angle off true. So that causes vertical stringing.

Of more significance, though, is that the bore of a rifle holds a bullet centered on its geometric axis even if the bullet mass is off-center. This means the center of gravity orbits the centerline of the bore as the rifling turns it. When the bullet exists the muzzle, that eccentric CG lobs the bullet perpendicular to the axis, tangent to the location of the CG in its path around the bore axis, at a speed equal the the angular velocity of the CG times its distance from the bore axis. This sideways lob is drift. It is small and too slow to create enough drag for it to slow significantly during the bullet's time of flight, so the bullet just drifts in that direction at that speed.

Suppose, for example, the CG were 0.001 inches off axis in a .308 caliber bullet fired at 2700 fps from a 10" twist barrel. The common bullet RPM formula,

Where:
MV is feet per second
P is inches per turn of the rifling

720 × MV / P = 194,400 rpm

Divide by 60 to get revolutions per second (rps):

194,400 / 60 = 3,240 rps

Angular velocity is 2 × pi × 3240 = 20,356 radians per second

Times the radius of rotation is:

20,356 rad/s × 0.001 inches/rad = 20.4 inches per second.

So, if the bullet has a transit time to 600 yards of 0.87 seconds, it will drift 20.4 inches/s × 0.87 s, or 17.75 inches away from the mean point of impact by the time it gets there. In what direction it will drift, you can't predict unless you know what side of the bore the CG was closest to when it cleared the muzzle.

The point of bothering with the calculation is to show how little error there needs to be in the CG location off-axis to have it show up on target. Bullet symmetry is critical to accuracy.

Also note that most modern bullet shapes don't have their CG and geometric center in the same place. This means that if the bullet enters the bore even slightly less than straight, the CG will have some amount of eccentric spin and some amount of resulting drift.
 
Keep in mind this is a zombie thread. It hadn't had a post since 2012 until Schleeb posted, so many of the participants have moved on. Bart stopped posting here awhile back, but posts on other forums. I don't know why he dropped us, but I did contact him to make sure he was OK and he said he is.

Bart's post, is basically correct. Bullet balance in this context is mass symmetry around the longitudinal axis of the bullet. Because a bullet spins around its center of gravity when it is in flight, one whose CG isn't centered will have its surface spinning eccentrically. This results in what is commonly called bullet trajectory line wobble, as the trajectory then has a corkscrew shape to the extent the nose position flies eccentrically.

There was a time when the subject of balancing came up I would say if I can spin it I can balance it. I like the story about the shooter/writer that purchased 500 cases from one manufactured and then started culling them, He found 47 of the 500 cases to be perfect. He also found if he indexed the case he could get the same results evertime. I am beginning to think I am the only reloader that read the article. And then I wonder what the results would have been had he spun the bullets.

F. Guffey
 
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