NATE45 (you cute little french girl, you
) and the rest of your anti-Bird shot clan...
I surrender, I was wrong. You guys ARE right about effective loads for self defense. How could I have been SO foolish to trust birdshot at 10 feet? (PSsst! Moyer, just play along!)
After all, NO police agency issues Birdshot! You are correct guys. Police encounter various ranges of conflict (perhaps even 100 yards or more) and situations, domestic disputes, armed standoffs, moving vehicles, Riots, Robberys, Burglarys, etc. I only wanted stopping power at 10 feet or so in my living room, without any danger of the buckshot or slugs going through the perp, a wall and hitting anyone else, hence my narrow minded choice of #6 shot. What ever possessed me to think that a load of birdshot at 10 feet, out of my tight choked 12 Ga Turkey gun, could be a fight stopper?
I think I read an article (BIG MISTAKE), a few years ago by a firearms defensive trainer, a Clint something or other, (Smith?), in "
GUNS" Magazine.. and he advocated using hunting shotguns (duck, turkey, etc.) and birdshot, for home defense. Perhaps this was where the idea took root in my head, as he outlined some very positive points about the birdshot and hunting shotgun for home defense, due to the very short range and penetration concerns. I remember testing the #6 shot on lumber at 10 feet after reading the article, and it looked like it would do the trick. After reading this thread, boy was I (and Clint) wrong. I'm going to write to Clint, and tell him that the TRUTH is on the internet, not in his published articles. I plan to tell him, the internet experts say only use BUCKSHOT! The Nerve of that guy to write about Birdshot! Just because he is a certified firearms self defense trainer with combat experience who wrote a monthly colum for
GUNS Magazine, which has only been around since the 1950's. Birdshot...! He is as bad as that Ayoob suggesting 5 shot snub .38's are OK for concealed carry!
You guys have instructed me, corrected me, in the fine art of Internet Combat skills and Armchair Mall Ninja defense tactics and the need for POWER!! I am putting away my shotgun until Turkey season.
No birdshot. In fact, I had NO IDEA that there are bad guys out there running around that can take a load of #6 birdshot in the face @ under 10 feet and keep going! Scary stuff my friends! In fact, no buckshot either! I dug around in the barn, under the floor boards and found my old box of "SHTF" toys and I'm loading up for
ZOMBIES, thanks to the advice I got here in the last 24 hours! I'm done with shotguns, to hell with over penetration concerns! Look out family, look out neighbors! Lock and Load Boys... Shurshot has seen the light! Praise be to the online gun gurus!
I'm going TACTICAL!!!!!!! Hardball or No Ball!
From now on, it's 7.62 and .45ACP. I'm ready to get full penetration in any blood thirsty Zombies or blocks of aggressive
"ballistic gelatin". that might invade my home (I keep reading warnings about that stuff on here. It sounds like they are tough to kill if you only have birdshot, at least according to the test results).
Thanks for the education "Self Defense Experts" and you too "little french girl"
Although Nate45, I must say, the way you alude to "
Since I chose to remain pseudo-anonymous on this site, who's to say for certain?", we are now wondering if you are CIA, or work at the Gunsite Ranch, ex-Navy Seal, Casey Anthony's Attorney, or perhaps part of some covert, undercover, elite online strike force?
You tease us with the possibility of having a 007 clearence, or perhaps you are an industry insider, or, well, who knows... then leave us hanging. No fair. You engage in 2 days of Socratic Dialectic, then tease us with your real identity.?? Do tell, Do Tell!!!!!
Me? I won't leave anyone hanging, alude to Gun Guru status, or play "Guess who". I'm just an old gun guy, no more, no less and obviously not up to date on the latest ballistics test or expert's gun wisdom. After all, who reads
GUNS magazine and takes their advice anyhow???
But now, after reading these posts, I'm going TACTICAL guys! RAW POWER AND HIGH CAP CLIPS FROM NOW ON!
(PSssst! Moyer... are you still following along? I'm just trying to get them to ease up. They will dispute ANYTHING we say and take our statements out of context, so why try? Don't worry, I didn't lose it...I'm STILL keeping my #6 birdshot loads handy for my Turkey gun! Don't tell anyone, but I LOVE
GUNS magazine and suspect that Clint Smith has forgotton more about firearms than half these guys pretend to know! Some of these are old junker guns I'm going to get rid of. A few of these boys on this forum are
hardcore (at least when it comes to giving expert advice online..LOL!), so if they see these pics of "Tactical style stuff", perhaps they will relax, sip a cold one and just chill out as they will think they won... and if not, at least they were able to boost their post counts..
My Turkey gun and birdshot are still fine for the house, and my snub .38 fits in my coat pocket when I leave home).