Wendy's Employee Kills Robber

For what it's worth. Coming from someone who's brother was held up at gunpoint .... Good for the employee. Coming from a Christian standpoint I am sorry someone lost their life that day. But just because I am a Christian does not mean I don't agree with the Wendy's Employee's actions. Who knows how long before the BG decided to rob a different place and the employee got shot. He made his decision and he should have realized his occupation was a dangerous one .....and it should be. Every time we let one of these BG's go we encourage them to do it again and again.
 
Is putting yourself into harm's way for the sake of gathering information that may or may not be useful a good idea?
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Gotta wonder if jumping into a freezing river to find out if some kids that are trapped upside in the car are still alive is a good idea? Guess not.
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These two things are not even in the same ball park. Risking your life to get a tag number is nothng like risking your life to save those who are in peril.

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The Wendy's employee cannot legally carry a weapon on the premises because he is not a security person contracted to Wendy's to do so and therefore he is fully respondsible on his own for all the consequences of his actions.

Wendy's corporate is in the clear on this one and the guy is fully respondsible for all costs due to his actions.

Loss of his job is guaranteed.

The fact that he pursued the robbers out of the store will make it very hard for the local prosecutor to ignore the case and let the guy go.

Just because you carry does not mean you have the right to chase down robbers and shoot them especially if they havent shot someone or fired their guns first.

Their defense attorney's will say,they only used the guns to intimidate the victims and would have never fired (proving that when they left the premises without firing the guns used) had you not placed them-(yes it's b-s but legally effective b-s)-placed THEM (!) in harm's way.

If this guy gets really lucky he won't be charged but I'd be surprised if some charge is not brought against him.

Crazy world,you know.
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I think hogdogs is completely right here. There is no indication that the employee did anything illegal. Specifically what law do you think he broke?

Wendy's may have a strict 'no guns' policy or company property, but a franchise is not necessarily company property and in all likelihood isn't company property. The franchise is private property not owned by Wendy's.

Dasher has not yet been fired. If his job loss is guarenteed, why do you think Wendy's is dragging their feet? For that matter, why do you think the prosecution is dragging its feet as well in regard to the manager?
 
These two things are not even in the same ball park. Risking your life to get a tag number is nothng like risking your life to save those who are in peril.
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Actually... Many of us consider every person "down range" of these fleeing felons to be in immediate peril... Another reason I would likely be leaning towards giving chase if I could possibly reduce this immediate and violent threat to those in their path.

I think this is part of the reason citizens are still allowed to engage as citizens only when it is against the most dangerous threats...

The risky thing to do would be to engage a group of un armed petty thieves who snatched their frosty without payin'... Then you are the armed violent felon...

Brent
 
Actually... Many of us consider every person "down range" of these fleeing felons to be in immediate peril...
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Okay, but that wasn't the argument being made.

I am not sure sure about all those persons down range at 12:55 in the morning at a closed Wendy's that are being imperiled by the felons. Maybe you mean the other teams of potential robbers laying in wait in the woods for their opportunity to get in an unlocked door?

I do like how the justification for going outside keeps morphing, however. First is was to move from an unsafe situation inside Wendy's to being outside and closer to the robbers where the employee would be safer and in a better tactical position. Then it was to get vital information on the tag number or which direction they ran. Now it is to protect the masses. The manager didn't even protect his own employees and now you are suggesting that he left on a crusade to protect all people down range since you would do that?
 
DNS, check your chronology. I suggested getting tag and vehicle ID in post 2; later I pointed out that in KC, an ID after armed robbery 1 could have prevented armed robberies 2-10.

Not much of a morph...
 
You would be extremely lucky to keep your job if you had done what this guy did in most companies.

That's a fact.

I am glad he had the will and means to resist the robbers but when you do this,do not expect a pat on the back and an atta boy from the company you used to work for.

In most cases,to prevent you from costing them money,they will fire you as soon as it is politically least offensive to do so.
 
Only a company EXPRESSLY forbidding carrying a firearm would stand a chance against me...

Like our local fella who fought the gun from a robber... I wouldn't be trying to break the rule forbidding trying to "thwart" a crime... I never agreed to forfeit my health, life and happiness to a criminal...

IT AIN'T ABOUT THE CASH!!!

It is about me having a safe night EVERY NIGHT! A criminal allowed to leave tonight could come back the next and it is proven time and again that these criminals tend to increase force... not decrease it as their experience in their profession increases...

BN Real... You are not doing so by grabbing at the outer fringes of law to damn someone who just happens to choose to do more than you would choose...

All of my co-workers might be in grave danger if our place of employ is robbed... I see a gun as a challenge and I answer all immediate and dangerous challenges the same in life...

Run in full bore and counter with all the force I can muster as soon as I can do so... Gun or no gun... many of these cowardly thugs fold like a Texaco road map when faced with more than compliance.

Most never trained on how to react to the crazed full bore cussin' swinging and snatchin' redneck while tryin' to seem big and bad with the Glock foe-tee...

Brent
 
I am glad he had the will and means to resist the robbers but when you do this,do not expect a pat on the back and an atta boy from the company you used to work for.
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Getting fired for doing the right thing? I'd never work for such a company. If they treated one of my co-workers that badly, I'd walk out the door with them.

Then again, I have never been fired from a job ..... It has always been too easy to find better employment elsewhere.....
 
I am with Jim on that aspect too...

"I WAS LOOKIN' FOR A JOB WHEN I FOUND THIS'N!"

And I would immediately leave with a fired co-worker as jim would.

Obedience to company policy is all fine and good until the policy is solely based on fear of lawsuit with ZERO regards to my well being while under their immediate employ... No employer shall remove my options no matter what I signed!

Brent
 
motorhead0922, I pointed that out earlier, and that the corporate rep already said they don't control how franchises handle such issues. Some folks just like predicting dire outcomes, it seems.
 
motorhead0922 said:
Just about all I thought about was that it was a bad wreck and people were undoubtedly injured. I had a half-second thought about whether there were any hot-heads involved, since I was carrying. As I approached the cars, I realized I didn't know which was which. Both ended up in different positions because of the impact, and I couldn't see the damage on either from my angle. One was white and one was red, and I had no clue which one pulled in front of the other. All I was thinking about was the probable injuries, which, thank God, were minor.

It all happened in a split second. I've thought about it and I still don't know who had the right-of-way.
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Interesting.

Something similar happened to me many years ago, and my recollection was crystal clear. When my then GF and I were sitting in a patrol car giving a statement, it was all there -- just like I was watching a video (which hadn't yet been invented). Same thing -- two cars at an intersection, one traveling at a very high speed t-boning another car making a left turn. The impact spun them both around, and left the speeder's vehicle facing back toward the direction from which he had come. The driver (and sole occupant) of the turning vehicle was seriously injured and unconscious. I learned much later that he never even saw the car that hit him and had no idea what had happened. The speeder gave the police a story that was at complete odds with the facts, right down to claiming he had been traveling east when he was actually traveling west. A number of people were on hand to help me turn off the engine of the car that was t-boned and extricate the driver, but I was the only one who gave a statement to the police.

The wife of the injured driver called me later to thank me for giving a statement. Apparently the police had been inclined to accept the speeder's cock-n-bull account and try to charge the guy who was hit, but my statement was clear and detailed enough that it didn't work. The wife told me that my statement was all that prevented her husband from being blamed for an accident that wasn't his fault.

Maybe I'm just borderline Asperger's, but I don't think I could see something like that and not remember at least most of the details.
 
Only a company EXPRESSLY forbidding carrying a firearm would stand a chance against me.
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Actually, Georgia is an "at will" state with regards to employment. If I were to fire an employee because I didn't want them carrying a gun, policy or not, they don't have much recourse.
 
Here is an update it appears there was a third man involved who was actually an employee of the Wendy’s.
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I wonder if he (Conyers) was the employee who took out the trash and headed home, leaving the door unlocked behind him?

And it turns out that Holder got shot too, but was able to run away.
 
Aquila Blanca said:
Maybe I'm just borderline Asperger's, but I don't think I could see something like that and not remember at least most of the details.
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Perhaps I'm easily distracted.:)

Immediately after the crash occurred, I had 4 things to do: Drive through the intersection and park along the road, turn on the flashers, hand my cell phone to my wife to call 911, and run to see if anyone was hurt.

You were parked, more observant. and emergency personnel were already on the scene. I'm glad you were able to help.

What I regret is that I wasn't paying attention to the left turn signal that didn't affect me. The vital piece of information is whether it was green or red when the car made its turn, and I couldn't supply the info.

Anyway, my point is that stuff happens fast, out of the blue. And witnesses often get the facts wrong later.
 
Maybe I'm just borderline Asperger's, but I don't think I could see something like that and not remember at least most of the details.
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It isn't unusual... It is actually quite expected by those who must gather witness accounts of information...

I cannot remember any of the details but basically each individual being different, the populace will have the foggiest memory immediately after the incident due to surprise and shock... then the recollection clears greatly in most as they have time to reflect on the event... Many will not get clearer at all. Then a third segment of time where many will immediately forget many details their mind deems unnecessary...

Only a small portion of people begin with a great recollection of small and large details... Some get better as they reflect and few will lose much from memory.

For example, the first thing I wanted to know when awaking from being rear ended on a stationary motorcycle by a high speed vehicle was, "Was it a white ford truck of van that hit me...

In the instance I seen him in mirror and a solo over the shoulder glance did not give my vision time to calibrate depth perception so I wasn't positive about hood length...

I cannot tell you what color any other vehicles in the intersection at the time were which might have proven useful for something.

Brent
 
I was wondering when they were going to nab the remaining robbers.

It seems to me that when there is a DGU the end result is seldom that criminals get away and remain at large.
 
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