"We need more terrorist attacks" says GOP chairman

[Slugthrower]

When the US was aiding OBL during the Afghan/USSR war. They saw the US as anti-colonists, then we had Gulf War I and began to build bases on their Saudi soil. That is part of the reason that their opinion has changed about the US.

Red... Christians have different sects of their religion, yet they share many concepts and commonalities. Islam is similar in that way. Islam translates to "submit". Whether or not people like it. Their primary goal is the spread of their religion and either accepting or being forced to recognize "The one true God" In Islam it is acceptable to lie in order to facilitate the furthering of that spreading of their religion. Islam was borne of war. There is no reason to think that they will coexist with other peoples, religious or not. Would you trust a person that has a religious right to lie to you? A really simple question with a really simple answer.

It would be nice if this wasn't the case, but it is.

Since the radicals are at war with us. We must know our enemy, in order to defeat him. If America falls to this enemy, who intends to destroy us from within, there will be no one left to continue our way of self governance and liberty, or to choose how, who, or if we wish to worship any deity.

 

[Redworm]

Islam translates to "submit"

I'm tempted to start sending all this crap to Mythbusters. Islam means submission TO GOD. It's no more a call to submit to others than Christianity is a call to die for the sins of others.

Whether or not people like it. Their primary goal is the spread of their religion and either accepting or being forced to recognize "The one true God" In Islam it is acceptable to lie in order to facilitate the furthering of that spreading of their religion.

Bull, bull and more bull. That's the same brand of picking and choosing the parts of the religion that coincide with your preconcieved notions that the jihadists use to justify their actions. Stop blaming Islam for this because it's obvious you and damn near no one here has an understanding of what it is.

Would you trust a person that has a religious right to lie to you? A really simple question with a really simple answer.

Considering the fact that I see the teaching of an invisible man in the sky as a lie in of itself then I guess I'll have to say no. I won't trust a person that has a religious right to lie - which a Muslim does not any more than any other religious; once again picking and choosing.

Since the radicals are at war with us. We must know our enemy, in order to defeat him. If America falls to this enemy, who intends to destroy us from within, there will be no one left to continue our way of self governance and liberty, or to choose how, who, or if we wish to worship any deity.

Christ on a ****ing crouton, THEY HAVE NO MORE DESIRE TO CONTROL US THAN WE HAVE TO CONTROL THEM. How many times must this be reiterated?

Y'all just keep buying that neocon bull**** line that they hate freedom, that they want to place us under sharia law, that they want our women to wear bukas yada yada yada blah blah fraking blah. Those of you that keep insisting we must treat Islam as the enemy are contributing to this holy war in the first place.

 

[Manedwolf]

Christ on a ****ing crouton, THEY HAVE NO MORE DESIRE TO CONTROL US THAN WE HAVE TO CONTROL THEM. How many times must this be reiterated?

So that's why they keep saying they want sharia law in the US. Gotcha.

Getting really tired of the pro-islamist-extremist propaganda here, especially when we're AT WAR with that sort.

They must be laughing quite a bit, that there's so many fifth columnists here making it easy for them.

 

[Redworm]

So that's why they keep saying they want sharia law in the US. Gotcha.

a sliver of the muslim population, probably around the same percentage of those that want laws based off the ten commandments in the US. same brand of religious nutjobbery

Getting really tired of the pro-islamist-extremist propaganda here, especially when we're AT WAR with that sort.

They must be laughing quite a bit, that there's so many fifth columnists here making it easy for them.

It's not "pro-extremist" but some people need to have it pounded into their thick heads that the extremists make up very few muslims and the only reason they're able to recruit more is because we are giving them every reason in the world to hate us.

The crux of the problem is that we are at war. A war out country instigated, a war our country is fighting for money, a war our country is using to curtail our rights, a war that will only get worse as long as people here continue to scream "KILL EM ALL LET GOD SORT EM OUT!".

 

[WeedWacker]

a sliver of the muslim population, probably around the same percentage of those that want laws based off the ten commandments in the US.

Gee I was wondering where the "Don't kill others" came from in ourlaws...

The fact remains that our heritage stems from christianity and a MAJORITY of laws were taken straight from the 10 C's. Not all since "you shall have no other gods before me" meant the government would be enforcing christianity or a religion upon the people. Religion was recognized then as a personal choice as were the morals from "do not covet" and a couple others that pertained to thoughts instead of actions which could not be enforced since no one has the ability to read minds.

 

[Redworm]

Gee I was wondering where the "Don't kill others" came from in ourlaws...

because non-christian nations don't have laws against murder, right? the concept of murder being wrong has existed long before that little book was written

The fact remains that our heritage stems from christianity and a MAJORITY of laws were taken straight from the 10 C's. Not all since "you shall have no other gods before me" meant the government would be enforcing christianity or a religion upon the people. Religion was recognized then as a personal choice as were the morals from "do not covet" and a couple others that pertained to thoughts instead of actions which could not be enforced since no one has the ability to read minds.

No, not a majority. Not even a significant amount. There are thousands upon thousands of laws on the books and only four of the ten commandments resemble any of our laws. One of which - adultery - should not be a law in the first place and shows just how much freedom those early christians wanted people to have.

None of that matters because the point is that there are very few people that would demand all ten be laws in the US just like there are very few muslims that would demand sharia law be practiced here. I'm not getting into a religous debate with you people but y'all need to stop spreading this lie that we're at war with islam and that they all want to take over. THEY DONT! They don't give two hoots what we believe in, they're far more concerned with us bombing the living **** out of their homes. We need to stop ****ing with them so they'll stop trying to kill us. How many terrorist acts will it take for people to realize that our actions are instigating this crap as has been happening since the 50s?

 

[Manedwolf]

The crux of the problem is that we are at war. A war out country instigated, a war our country is fighting for money, a war our country is using to curtail our rights, a war that will only get worse as long as people here continue to scream "KILL EM ALL LET GOD SORT EM OUT!".

Not at all. But it's going to become more like: "Either assimilate into THIS country's culture and traditions, and turn in militants instead of being silent about them, or GTFO."

 

[Redworm]

Not at all. But it's going to become more like: "Either assimilate into THIS country's culture and traditions, and turn in militants instead of being silent about them, or GTFO."

If there within our borders, absolutely. However we have NO right whatsoever to force other nations to assimilate to our culture and traditions. That is why they hate us, that is why they attack us.

 

[TwoXForr]

Personally I think other countries assimilate our culture, is because it is attractive, and packaged well. Hollywood exports movies and music overseas that all of thier cultures are influenced by. (I don't even want to get into the crappy image Hollywood gives of our culture). Not to mention products like Coke Cola and the Tobbaco Industry and the like. We don't force our "culture" on anyone, it just happens due to market forces. Plus I believe everyone around the world has a basic yearning to be free and live thier life in peace. (its just a holes like Saddam, Hitler, Adi Amin, and the like that mess it up)


America is a big dumb kid, wandering around being friendly stepping on things and not even realizing it. No bad intentions, no malice, careless yes, evil no not by a long shot. We help people either directly by Americans giving of themselves or through our goverment giving forign aid. The big dumb kid wants to be liked, but really has no clue how to go about it.

(I know this is an overslimpification but I think basically it is true.)

I truely love this country, I think some of the things we do are incredibly stupid. Only history will be able to tell if we ever grow out of our adolescent stage.

 

[threegun]

Because we have the right to have "interests" on other people's property. The biggest kid on the block has "interests" in someone else's treehouse then wonders why all the smaller kids gang up to throw rocks at him.

They sell us oil and we have allies in that region. Our interests in keeping both safe have nothing to do with being a bully. The power of OPEC to control our economy is emense. Wars have begun for less control. Japan started the pacific theather against the US for natural resources like oil, iron ore, and bauxite. Had OPEC held such control over Japan they would have simply taken it from them via war. We don't do that.....we buy it. Our allies in that region needed help so we helped. You quickly forget that Kuwait needed our help. Muslims asked for our help. Now muslims are angry for our meddeling go figure.

Bull, bull and more bull. That's the same brand of picking and choosing the parts of the religion that coincide with your preconcieved notions that the jihadists use to justify their actions. Stop blaming Islam for this because it's obvious you and damn near no one here has an understanding of what it is.

Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's mystical pre-occupation with the coming of a Shiite Islamic messiah figure – the Mahdi – is raising concerns that a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic could trigger the kind of global conflagration he envisions will set the stage for the end of the world.

While Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been making headlines lately by questioning whether the Holocaust actually happened, by suggesting Israel should be moved to Europe and by demanding the Jewish state be wiped off the face of the earth, his apocalyptic religious zealotry has received less attention.


In a videotaped meeting with Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli in Tehran, Ahmadinejad discussed candidly a strange, paranormal experience he had while addressing the United Nations in New York last September.

He recounts how he found himself bathed in light throughout the speech. But this wasn't the light directed at the podium by the U.N. and television cameras. It was, he said, a light from heaven.


Ahmadinejad at the U.N.

According to a transcript of his comments, obtained and translated by Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, Ahmadinejad wasn't the only one who noticed the unearthly light. One of his aides brought it to his attention.

The Iranian president recalled being told about it by one of his delegation: "When you began with the words ‘in the name of Allah,' I saw a light coming, surrounding you and protecting you to the end."

Ahmadinejad agreed that he sensed the same thing.

"On the last day when I was speaking, one of our group told me that when I started to say 'Bismillah Muhammad,' he saw a green light come from around me, and I was placed inside this aura," he says. "I felt it myself. I felt that the atmosphere suddenly changed, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, all the leaders of the world did not blink. When I say they didn't move an eyelid, I'm not exaggerating. They were looking as if a hand was holding them there, and had just opened their eyes – Alhamdulillah!"

Ahmadinejad's "vision" at the U.N. is strangely reminiscent and alarmingly similar to statements he has made about his personal role in ushering in the return of the Shiite Muslim messiah.

He sees his main mission, as he recounted in a Nov. 16 speech in Tehran, as to "pave the path for the glorious reappearance of Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his reappearance."

According to Shiites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.

Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.

All Iran is buzzing about the Mahdi, the 12th imam and the role Iran and Ahmadinejad are playing in his anticipated return. There's a new messiah hotline. There are news agencies especially devoted to the latest developments.

"People are anxious to know when and how will He rise; what they must do to receive this worldwide salvation," says Ali Lari, a cleric at the Bright Future Institute in Iran's religious center of Qom. "The timing is not clear, but the conditions are more specific," he adds. "There is a saying: 'When the students are ready, the teacher will come.'"

For his part, Ahmadinejad is living up to at least part of his call to the faithful. According to reports, he lives so modestly that declared assets include only a 30-year-old car, an even older house and an empty bank account.

Ahmadinejad and others in Iran are deadly serious about the imminent return of the 12th imam, who will prompt a global battle between good and evil (with striking parallels to biblical accounts of "Armageddon").

This is but more proof that some muslim extremists seek to rid the world of evil (those whom don't belive in Allah) which includes me and everybody I know. Sorry Redworm but you are wrong they do wish to take over the world. Even if it means bringing on a nuclear exchange.

 

[Redworm]

The power of OPEC to control our economy is emense.

That's our own damn fault for being so reliant on oil in the first place. We can cut that dependancy down by the 20% required to free ourselves of any need for mid-east oil because that's all they provide for us. Canada gives us a hell of a lot more than OPEC ever has.

Japan started the pacific theather against the US for natural resources like oil, iron ore, and bauxite.

Yeah, and they didn't just attack us out of the blue either. That pesky little blockade was reason enough for them to hit Hawaii. We can't pretend to play innocent.

Our allies in that region needed help so we helped. You quickly forget that Kuwait needed our help. Muslims asked for our help. Now muslims are angry for our meddeling go figure.

And that's why we shouldn't have helped in the first place, why we should stay the hell out of their business. Some Muslims asked for our help which pissed off a lot of other Muslims. Once again, they do not think with one mind. We're not talking about the Borg, here.

This is but more proof that some muslim extremists seek to rid the world of evil (those whom don't belive in Allah) which includes me and everybody I know. Sorry Redworm but you are wrong they do wish to take over the world. Even if it means bringing on a nuclear exchange.

I highlighted the important word there. Some. The rest wouldn't care about what we believed or didn't believe if we would stop meddling in their business. And if you're going to post a blatantly biased opinion piece it might behoove you to find a source other than the neo-con mouthpiece WND.Hell, this line alone

"by suggesting Israel should be moved to Europe and by demanding the Jewish state be wiped off the face of the earth"

shows how untrustworthy that opinion piece is. It's obvious the author has no idea what he's talking about because so few people have even cared to find out what he really said.

 

[threegun]

That's our own damn fault for being so reliant on oil in the first place.

Yes and no. Yes we are reliant on oil. Yes we get more oil from Mexico and canada. No that changing oil suppliers changes OPEC's power to manipulate our economy. If they stop pumping the price goes up everywhere (supply and demand). Even if we didn't suck a drop of arab oil they could still double or worst the price of a barrel. Look it up.

I highlighted the important word there. Some. The rest wouldn't care about what we believed or didn't believe if we would stop meddling in their business. And if you're going to post a blatantly biased opinion piece it might behoove you to find a source other than the neo-con mouthpiece WND.Hell, this line alone

It is estimated that only 10 percent of Muslims maintain this extremist view would you agree?

"by suggesting Israel should be moved to Europe and by demanding the Jewish state be wiped off the face of the earth"

shows how untrustworthy that opinion piece is. It's obvious the author has no idea what he's talking about because so few people have even cared to find out what he really said.

Ahmadinejad is well known for his verbal attacks on Israel.
In October 2005, he raised outrage in the West when he said in a speech that Israel’s “Zionist regime should be wiped off the map.”

You are correct. I can't read arabic and I don't care to visit Iran to have it transaled for me. I'll just settle for the news reports.

 

[Redworm]

Yes and no. Yes we are reliant on oil. Yes we get more oil from Mexico and canada. No that changing oil suppliers changes OPEC's power to manipulate our economy. If they stop pumping the price goes up everywhere (supply and demand). Even if we didn't suck a drop of arab oil they could still double or worst the price of a barrel. Look it up.

Yet the impact would be significantly less and remove our primary "interest" in someone else's backyard. They control the product, it's their right to seel to whomever they damn well please for whatever price they damn well please. Simple capitalism. I guess capitalism is only good when it suits America, otherwise it's a no-no.

It is estimated that only 10 percent of Muslims maintain this extremist view would you agree?

Nope.

You are correct. I can't read arabic and I don't care to visit Iran to have it transaled for me. I'll just settle for the news reports.

Yeah, he didn't say that either. You're settling for news reports that are inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst. That's not what he said.

 

[threegun]

Yeah, he didn't say that either. You're settling for news reports that are inaccurate at best and dishonest at worst. That's not what he said.

What did he say then dude? If you say he said that Israel should vanish from the pages of time you are accepting what his supporters are saying. I choose to accept what my side says he said.

As for this comment

Yet the impact would be significantly less and remove our primary "interest" in someone else's backyard.

It is apparrent that you know little about supply and demand. Say we got all our oil from canada and mexico and it was 10 bucks a barrel. Now OPEC stops selling some of its oil to whatever countries it deals with. Those countries ask canada and mexico to sell them some oil to make up the difference. Once demand overtakes supply the price goes up. So OPEC can litterally control the price we pay for oil and thus control our economy. Our only remedy is to remove our need for oil and that ain't happening anytime soon.

 

[threegun]

Here is some info to help you agree about the 10 percent of Muslims holding extremist beliefs.

In order to investigate characteristics that distinguish Muslim world residents who are potentially prone to extremist views, we divided respondents from the region into two groups. Classified as political radicals were those who met the following criteria: 1) they felt the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were "completely justified", and 2) they indicate that they have an "unfavorable" or "very unfavorable" opinion of the United States. Those who did not say the attacks were completely justified were termed moderates. The "radical" group represents about 7% of the total population across the 10 countries included in the study, ranging from a high of 26% in Egypt to a low of 1% in Morocco.

British polls: In a survey of ten surveys, I find that "more than half of British Muslims want Islamic law and 5% endorse violence to achieve that end."

British polls: Two just-released opinion surveys of British Muslims suggest a very substantial Islamist percentage. Of the many questions asked, perhaps the most revealing in this regard is the one whether the respondent agrees that "Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end." An astounding 1/3rd of those asked did agree with this statement.

This is particularly alarming.

Hisham Kabbani, head of Islamic Supreme Council of America: 5 to 10 percent of American Muslims are extremists.

Daniel Yankelovich, pollster: At one extreme of Muslim society "are the hate-America Islamist fundamentalists, who are the most militant and totalitarian. The magnitude and influence of this group varies enormously. For example, in Indonesia this group has doubled, tripled, or quadrupled over the last few years. I would estimate that this group averages about 10% of all Muslims, with enormous variation from one Muslim country to another and particular strength in Arab nations."

 

[Redworm]

What did he say then dude? If you say he said that Israel should vanish from the pages of time you are accepting what his supporters are saying. I choose to accept what my side says he said.

So instead of looking for truth we're just arguing about which "side" is reporting? Oh yeah, "my propoganda is better than your propoganda!" is a great idea.

It is apparrent that you know little about supply and demand. Say we got all our oil from canada and mexico and it was 10 bucks a barrel. Now OPEC stops selling some of its oil to whatever countries it deals with. Those countries ask canada and mexico to sell them some oil to make up the difference. Once demand overtakes supply the price goes up. So OPEC can litterally control the price we pay for oil and thus control our economy. Our only remedy is to remove our need for oil and that ain't happening anytime soon.

I do understand supply and demand but you're forgetting that the oil industry is far, far, far, far, far, far, far more complex than that simple example. Yes, a reduction of dependance on oil in general - enough to dramatically reduce our need for OPEC oil - will greatly benefit us and remove the majority of our "interest" in land that is not ours to **** with in the first place.

In either case, regardless of the economic impacts, it's their oil and they have the right to sell it for however much they damn well please.

Here is some info to help you agree about the 10 percent of Muslims holding extremist beliefs.

The least you could do is cite your sources.

 

[threegun]

In either case, regardless of the economic impacts, it's their oil and they have the right to sell it for however much they damn well please.

Wow we agree.

Now say we cut our dependency (which ain't happening anytime soon). What happens if OPEC cuts production by a greater margin? Face it man they control our economy.

The least you could do is cite your sources.

I agree. I'm at work though and can't go back. Some did include the source. You can google the quotes and find what you need.

 

[NineseveN]

It is apparrent that you know little about supply and demand. Say we got all our oil from canada and mexico and it was 10 bucks a barrel. Now OPEC stops selling some of its oil to whatever countries it deals with. Those countries ask canada and mexico to sell them some oil to make up the difference. Once demand overtakes supply the price goes up. So OPEC can litterally control the price we pay for oil and thus control our economy. Our only remedy is to remove our need for oil and that ain't happening anytime soon.

True, but economics also suggests that OPEC could not sit on the oil indefinitley; no oil sales = no profits. It's not as simple as the paragraph you posted, though what you state is pretty much true, it is not an accurate assessment of the whole picture as it would occur over time.

 

[threegun]

When the process of converting coal to gasoline was discussed by our government it was figured that we could replace oil with coal for the oil equivilent price of 40 per barrel. That looks awesome right now and would get us off oil period however OPEC threatened to reduce oil to 20 dollars a barrel and scared off investors which would have been required to put up 5 billion dollars for the facility.

If they can drop prices to 20 bucks a barrel from 70 they can cut output by 70percent. The U.S. uses roughly 21 million barrels a day. Saudi Arabia produces 11 million barrels per day. We simply cannot reduce consumption enough to eliminate them as a voice on our economy. They produce 19 percent of the worlds oil. Thats economy controlling power.

 

[NineseveN]

Only in the very short-term, economics kinda demands that. You can ignore that facet or address it, that's up to you. In the short-term, it's a very significant hit, but they don't have a monopoly and on the commodity, so they can only scare the market and drop it for a short period of time.

The problem with that isn't whether or not we'll rebound over the long haul, it's whether or not we're prepared to stomach such a serious hurdle and the ills that come with it.