"We need more terrorist attacks" says GOP chairman

Now answer this:
If we hadn't invaded Iraq, do you suppose that maybe AlQaeda wouldn't have the resources of men, money, and weapons that you're so scared of?

Sept 11th cost him 500,000 dollars by his own admission. He lost 17 men of the thousands he already had. His weapons were box cutters. Your implication that we are making him stronger and richer is irrelevant even if true. I don't think its true BTW.

Bin Laden noted reports that AL Qaeda spent $500,000 "on the event" — referring to Sept. 11 attacks —

He is worth hundreds of millions. Yes I'm scared of more attacks. Not for my safety because of my geographic location. I'm scared for others and the economy. If it goes south due to another attack everybody is in trouble including you. I have 2 kids to feed. The possibilities of problems are endless if another attack happens. Imagine shipping.....trucking, sea bound shipping, airborne shipping coming to a halt. Food on store shelves gone in a day. Riots as hungry unprepared people search for food. Government aid shipments late etc. You just don't seem to understand what could happen. All with box cutters and 17 men. Imagine nuclear or biological now.
 
Part of the problem with America is her reliance upon other countries and other people in general to supply her with food, fuel, and resources. Rugged individualism is what helped to create the economy that we all enjoy today. We will just end up starting over. It will not be easy. If we have to begin over, it can be done.

The average American doesn't have the knowledge to supply themselves with the basic needs of survival. Reliance on technology has made us soft and easy prey. All one really needs to survive is food, water, heat, clothing and shelter. These basics aren't all that difficult to learn and teach. Many of the things that we take for granted will become of great value in a crisis situation and we will need the means at our disposal to protect them. Guns will be scarce as well as the means to make new ammunition. It would be a good idea to learn how to make and use simple projectile weapons.

Bartering will become the primary currency. Those with the knowledge to supply the basics will have great influence in the perpetuation of our existence. I would suggest that any who don't know how to make clean water, farm animals, and maintain a garden should learn how. Forging metals and making simple tools is also very important as well as weaving fabrics. Let's not forget glass and pottery, plus the skills to work with it as well. Granted one man cannot do all those things, but a community that will work together will be able to do so. Not having printed money isn't a problem if you have a skill of value.

We have so much time to worry about silly things that we drive ourselves into anxiety and depression these days. A bird doesn't worry for it's next meal. A lion that will not hunt or a bird that will not forage will cease to exist. Mankind has had it very easy for a good while. The Creator has made this Earth with all the things that all life needs to perpetuate itself. It isn't a problem to survive if one understands that it takes physical hard work to do so and it will not be without peril. Be willing to work hard and have little if any free time to do the frivolous things that we enjoy as modern men. Do not fear, all will work itself out in the end.

The Internet is full of information to help people survive NBC environments. There are military field manuals that have many methods defined in them as well. Use your time to learn these things. It will help alleviate the fear of these unknowns for most folks. We all know that there are no guarantees in life, increase your chances of survival though the accumulation of this information. Hopefully all this survival knowledge will not be needed. Just as it is better to have a firearm and not need it, the same applies to survival skills and knowledge.

Terror is nothing more than a product of fear. Don't let a lack of knowledge create fear, empower yourselves through learning and application of skills needed to survive. I hope that the Moderators understand that this post isn't intended to be a SHTF conversation starter or a thread hijacking. So let us not allow it become one. You my brothers and sisters are the future of this great country. Let's make it the best we can, even if the worst happens.

:) Peace and good will to you all. :)
 
CyberSeal,
Oh, I wouldn't go so far as to say it's "destroyed"....just severely listing to port....and maybe ablaze :o

Believe it or not, we are not out of the fight and can even win in '08...Provided we #1 recognize that we're in trouble, and #2 correct the problem.

I don't seriously expect this to happen this cycle, but what the heck...a man can hope, right?
 
threegun,
To answer your question, it's obvious that any successful attack here is bound to be economically devastating. I'm not arguing that point.

What I'm saying is that from the Iraq invasion until today, we have seen an entire order of magnitude growth in terrorism...above levels that were the highest since 1981, and THIRTY new AQ-affiliated groups.
Why? Ask Porter Goss, and he'd say that it was a direct result of the Iraq invasion.

Every day we screw around there (supposedly) staves off another attack, but at the cost of strengthening our enemy and sapping our resources. And note that this is appeasing our enemy because we rely on his continued disinterest in attacking us here rather than our actively preventing it. If AQ gets stronger tomorrow, do you stop appeasing him, or strengthen them more? And the next day? The next month? The next year?

Do you suppose that the coming attack will be any easier to handle when AQ outnumbers our entire armed forces? At what point do you stop lopping heads off that Hydra and realize you might need to re-think your strategy? Back when he had one head would have been good, but we're now past thirty. Care to go for a hundred?


You're locked into the exact scenario that the terrorists hoped to lure you into.
 
Once again I'll ask if you think OBL would rather have us in Iraq and Afghanistan killing his men and using up his money.............but replenishing his men (possibly) due to recruitment or ordering 17 men at a cost of half a million bucks to inflict 200,000,000,000BILLION dollars in damage and kill what has taken 5 years in a combat zone to do.

I think you are wrong. I think OBL would like us to leave the middle east (he's said as much). I think he would enjoy the breathing room and immediately begin plotting the next big attack. I think he will be seen as a hero (if not already) by millions of Arabs for defeating the greatest power on earth which to me will be far more powerful for recruitment. Remember they think differently. To them (if we are pushed out) it was Allah. What more powerful an attraction to a foe who is willing to die for his god than conformation that god is real?
 
I think you are wrong. I think OBL would like us to leave the middle east (he's said as much). I think he would enjoy the breathing room and immediately begin plotting the next big attack.
Ah, no. If we leave the middle east and stop messing around with crap that ain't our business he would have no reason to attack us. Stop attacking mid east countries, stop supporting israel and he loses not only a reason to attack us - because the idea that he wants to convert all of us to islam or kill us is just plain goddamn retarded - but he loses support.

Do people still think the 9/11 attack was because THEY HATE FREEDOM?
 
Redworm, Why can they play so hard on some of the Muslim extremists word yet completely ignore others?

because the idea that he wants to convert all of us to islam or kill us is just plain goddamn retarded

I see you understand their goals.
 
Their goals are to get us the frak out of the middle east and stop screwing around with stuff that AINT OUR BUSINESS as we've been doing for half a century. :rolleyes: Eisenhower was a prick.

They don't want to convert us. They don't give a damn about converting us. They use that to rally more support and add yet another justification but if America would simply stop butting our fat greasy nose into everyone's business:


THEY WOULD LEAVE US ALONE.
 
if America would simply stop butting our fat greasy nose into everyone's business: THEY WOULD LEAVE US ALONE.

Sure...

The Netherlands: the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh

Denmark: Jyllands Posten Muhammed cartoons
 
Were either of those terrorist attacks that killed thousands? :rolleyes: Is bin Laden sending over his jihadists to commit individual murders? :rolleyes: Ever consider the fact that maybe - just maybe - Muslims are not analogous to the Borg collective and some of them act on their own impulses without direction of Osama? :rolleyes: It's the same flavor of blind "LOL AMERICA IS NEVER WRONG" coming from all those morons applauding Benito Giuliani's comments when Ron Paul threw a little truth in their faces. :rolleyes:

Our actions instigate terrorism. They don't "hate freedom". They don't want us to all be Muslim. They want us to LEAVE THEM THE FRAK ALONE.
 
They want us to LEAVE THEM THE FRAK ALONE.

You comment is too generalized. In the case of Theo van Gogh, they violently objected to criticism of Islamic cultural practices. In the case of the Mohammed cartoons, Muslims around the world (including countries) vigorously tried to dictate to the Danish press.

As to your attempts at deflection, do terrorist attacks have to kill thousands or be specifically spelled out in fatwahs issued by Osama bin Laden to count?
 
In the case of the Mohammed cartoons, Muslims around the world (including countries) vigorously tried to dictate to the Danish press.

To the western world the cartoons were harmless, but to Muslims, they were insulting. Just like it says in your own sig.
 
Nobody has a right to not be insulted. And responding to an offensive cartoon with threats of violence is childish and primitive. Responding with actual violence demands a cull of those who did so, swiftly and efficiently, as they have no place in 21st century civilization.
 
I think you are wrong. I think OBL would like us to leave the middle east (he's said as much). I think he would enjoy the breathing room and immediately begin plotting the next big attack.

I think you confuse his rhetoric with his ambitions. It's important to remember that every fatwa, every public statement, and every manifesto is designed for Arab Muslim consumption, not ours. What the people over there want is for us to stop screwing with them. What the terrorists want is to parlay their notoriety into authority.

The terrorist networks are growing at an exponential rate thanks to our actions. Their capability to wage jihad on us depends upon the general public's support for "the cause". Always has been that way with terrorists and always will be.
 
I would agree if another stated goal of Muslim extremists wasn't to spread the radical form of Islam around the world. I would agree if their religion didn't say to kill or convert non believers. If our societies could co exist with one another then perhaps ignoring all of our interests in that region might be an option.

Since we can't co exist. Since they seek to spread, killing or converting as they can (sufficient numbers). Since we can't leave our interests around the world just to appease them I cannot agree.

Now I ask again if this thing is all about us and our meddling and we have been doing so for a century. Why have the terrorists only recently turned on us? Why did OBL allie himself with the great satan knowing that we help Israel? If OBL accepted our help just to defeat the soviets (lesser of two evils) why does he harp on our presence in the middle east after all we are there because we rescued Muslims allies from Muslim enemy?

Bottom line what OBL says is loaded with hypocrisy. His reasons are an excuse to cover up the real intentions of extremists. They are designed to justify the brutality and convince some of us that it is our fault. I'm not fooled.
 
You comment is too generalized. In the case of Theo van Gogh, they violently objected to criticism of Islamic cultural practices. In the case of the Mohammed cartoons, Muslims around the world (including countries) vigorously tried to dictate to the Danish press.

As to your attempts at deflection, do terrorist attacks have to kill thousands or be specifically spelled out in fatwahs issued by Osama bin Laden to count?
"They". You act as if all Muslims have one mind and had a hand in killing him. Almost as if that was anything close to a terrorist act. :confused:
 
I would agree if their religion didn't say to kill or convert non believers.
:rolleyes:
Since we can't leave our interests around the world just to appease them I cannot agree.
:rolleyes: Because we have the right to have "interests" on other people's property. The biggest kid on the block has "interests" in someone else's treehouse then wonders why all the smaller kids gang up to throw rocks at him.
Why have the terrorists only recently turned on us?
Recently???
If OBL accepted our help just to defeat the soviets (lesser of two evils) why does he harp on our presence in the middle east after all we are there because we rescued Muslims allies from Muslim enemy?
You ask your neighbor to help you get rid of a racoon in his attic. Does that mean you're going to be ok with him raiding your fridge, crashing on your couch and taking over your remote control all without your permission?
Bottom line what OBL says is loaded with hypocrisy.
He's not alone in that.
 
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