We just won Palmer at the DC District Court!

Meaning while you may be right that Y group of people can do X, Tom can still have it right that the police will arrest Y's until it shakes out and any Y's who don't want to go through the hassle should listen to what Tom said.
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Actually, I did read that a bit wrong. The District is enjoined against enforcing § 7-2502.02(a)(4), which reads:

A registration certificate shall not be issued for a (...) Pistol not validly registered to the current registrant in the District prior to September 24, 1976
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This means registration for new pistols must be allowed. This was supposed to be the result of Heller, but DC has done their best to make that process all but impossible.

The other statute is § 22-4504(a), which reads:

No person shall carry within the District of Columbia either openly or concealed on or about their person, a pistol, or any deadly or dangerous weapon capable of being so concealed.
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So, it's actually two different things. However, handguns possessed in the District are still required to be registered. The DC authorities could argue that the first provision (registration) overrides the second (non-resident carry), and they could bust people for carrying an unregistered weapon.

Bear in mind, they're going to do everything they can not to comply with this.

Of course, we could tell those Texas open-carry guys to give it a go and let them be the test case.
 
DC Police Chief orders arrests to halt, Including non-residents

According to the Washington Post:

D.C. police were told Sunday not to arrest people for carrying handguns on the street in the wake of a judge’s ruling that overturned the city’s principal gun-control law.
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It is interesting that out-of-state residents who are in compliance with their own state laws will also not be charged. Does this mean I can finally go to DC?

Lanier’s instructions to police also said that residents of other jurisdictions without felony records would not be charged under the ban on carrying pistols.
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Does this mean I can finally go to DC?
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That would be my reading of it, especially if you have a concealed carry permit from your home state. It doesn't look like it's necessary under the new guidelines, but it would be on-the-spot verification that you're not a felon. :cool:
 
D.C. Code § 22-4504(a) provides that "[n]o person shall carry within the District of
Columbia either openly or concealed on or about their person, a pistol, without a license issued
pursuant to District of Columbia law, or any deadly or dangerous weapon capable of being so
concealed."
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If DC may not enforce this code, but if for some reason the handgun registration requirement still applies, would not the carrying of knives, impact weapons, or other weapons be an option?
 
So, jumping in without having read the decision . . . . If I understand this correctly, if I wanted to go off and CC in DC, I'd have to register my gun with DC first? Makes me wonder just how onerous those requirements are, seeing as how I'm unable to register a gun in AR.
 
My reading of it was that DC residents must register their handguns and that any one from another state need only have a carry permit.

Which makes me wonder about people from Arizona, Alaska, Vermont etc. where no permit is needed to carry a firearm.
 
Guys, read the PDF file I posted above. It is the orders from the cheif as to who can a can not carry a gun. It even cites examples and has the chief's signature.....
 
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I think we're all talking about at least three different things at once here.

What WE think it means

What it ACTUALLY means

What the Police Chief has told her officers that it means (for now anyway)

The first one is probably optimistic or pessimistic based on ones philosophical bent, the second one is almost impossible to know until things shake out a little more, especially as DC hasn't legislated a response yet, and the third is based on an PDF that's probably reliable right now, but may change at any given moment under the direction of the Attorney General and Police Chief.
 
I still need to go back and read the decision itself, but judging from this (thank you diamondd817), it looks like I could legally carry a concealed firearm in DC today*. (From the pdf: "At this time, individuals who do not live in the District shall not be charged with either unregistered firearm or unregistered ammunition, but other charges may apply.")

*=Noting, however, that attempting to do so could still result in a great deal of time, energy and hassle in proving my innocence in the event that some MPDC members "didn't get the memo." ;)
 
This is positive, but I'm trying to understand exactly what the court is saying. If this is upheld, then DC: (a) MUST allow open carry, or (b) MUST create a concealed carry law scheme like Illinois had to do, or (c) both, or (d) neither - if neither than what exactly must they allow the people to do - carry on their own property only, but not beyond property lines?

You KNOW they're going to do ONLY that tiny amount which they must legally do, with no choice, and even then only kicking and screaming, so what, precisely, must they allow.

By the way, the court has not yet ruled on whether it will stay its ruling until the appeal occurs - it very well may NOT issue such a stay, since the court is fed up with the delay tactics of the city here. It may or may not stay the ruling.
 
No from what I understand his was a District Court decision, from here it can go to the Circuit Court with jurisdiction, THEN to the Supremes. At least from what was said earlier.
 
Any non-prohibited person able to legally carry in his or her own state, or who has a registered handgun in DC will not be charged with simple possession. DC residents can still be charged with having an unregistered weapon.

Beware that the 10 round magazine ban and AWB remain intact, and that TPM restrictions against carrying in schools and government buildings, etc, are also untouched by this decision.
 
Something else to ponder: DC has an absolute plethora of different TYPES of cops, plus private and semi-private security guards.

This memo has only gone out to actual DC Police. What about various types of parks police, the feds of various kinds...?

Upshot: I would be willing to CCW in DC right now but I think open carry (of a handgun) is asking for trouble, especially in the "tourist-type areas".

OH, speaking of tourists...I was at some of the big tourist hot-spots a few weeks ago, Jefferson and Lincoln memorials, etc. They are STUFFED with tourists from other countries...tons of Asian types that I saw (and with very obvious signs they were in big tour groups). Open carry around there could trigger a stampede and that could be...bad PR.

I think we need to cool our jets here - this is a HUGE cultural change going on.

But you know what? There's an enormous opportunity here too. If this lasts, say, a month, we'd be able to actually track violent crime rates before during and after that month. I don't we've EVER seen a heavily urban area with high violence rates go to "instant Vermont carry" (more or less).

We are in genuinely uncharted waters here folks, this is not a good time to "fly the freak flag".
 
Something else to ponder: DC has an absolute plethora of different TYPES of cops, plus private and semi-private security guards.
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Yep. DHS subcontracts security out to private firms, and I've seen the quality of training some of them get. It's truly frightening.

Now, consider that one can't throw a rock in DC without it landing on some sort of federal property, and things get risky.
 
Okay, but the actual federal police, like the park service, can't enforce the D.C. Code can they? I would think they can only enforce laws enacted by Congress; or, maybe there is a federal law that says they can arrest for D.C. Code violations.

At any rate, I would not want to be the person testing the application of the injunction.
 
OK. So what happens if we take that two-page bulletin from the chief, make a ton of copies and staple 'em to telephone poles all over DC, esp. the "hood-rat" sections?

The goal here is to show the types that do the violent crime that it isn't safe to do so, to cause a dramatic dip in the crime rate? We WANT that dip to be as deep as possible, ASAP.
 
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