We are the shortage!!!!

Yea the training part is understood but like I said if any of this is true it's kinda scary. What about some of these first time panic gun buyers, bet they ain't too happy. The next financial bubble might just be when all those maxed out credit cards come due from over priced firearms purchases.
 
I think this shortage is going to last alot longer than anyone is expecting. I have seen many predictions and alot of them were between 9-16 months it will be back to normal. But with all of the firearm and prepper forums out there, the prepper show on the discovery channel, and many magazines and radio outlets talking about this, I think alot of people are stocking up every chance they get. Alot of people say when such a huge population of people stop "hoarding" or stocking up, ammunition will be available again. But I believe everyday people are being conditioned by all of these media sources and just their own senses that they need to stock up now, or when the market regains some normalacy there will be a huge population that stocks much more than they shoot so they don't "get caught with their pants down" again when the next event causes a shortage. So I think the market will come back and stock will be around, but only for a very short time, and then there will be a shortage very soon after without any event or domestic crisis causing the effect. After the shortage of 2008 alot of people that used to just buy a box or two on range day, started buying a box or two, or more per paycheck to have a stockpile. I think this time around the number of those people will be astronomically higher.
 
Yeap, the Goveremnt is buying ammo.

Lets see, there are 50,000 DHS LE officers. They have to qualify 4 times a year, plus practice. Plus the Coast Guard, plus none DHS Fed LEOs.

Yeap I'd think the goverment would require quite a bit of ammo.
 
I had the past week off, so I went out looking for .22lr ammo a couple of times... none to be found anywhere in northwestern VT.

No one to blame but myself for not laying in a bigger stockpile, and I still have a couple thousand rounds to tide me over, but I have never seen anything like this even in past shortages.

Glad I laid in enough reloading supplies for .380, 9mm, and .45 last year to keep me going for 2-3 years.
 
We are the shortage!!!!
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Yes we are. Yesterday I got off early from work and stopped by my LGS on the way home to check on reloading components and shoot the bull. I don't really need anything, but like everyone else, it it's there, for a decent price, you buy it whether you need it or not. There was already a guy there shootin' the bull and the talk naturally drifted to the shortages, nonavailability of certain firearms and ammo. Young couple comes in lookin' for SD ammo. They ask for one box and the guy tells them they better buy all they can before they can't get anymore.....so they buy 3 boxes. Little while later a fella comes in lookin' for LP primers and asks for one case. Same guy tells him that no-body else in the state has LP primers and they won't be available again for 18 months. So the guy buys the limit of two. Old guy comes in and says he's having a problem with 'yotes preyin' on his barn cats and needs .22 shells and Wal-Mart doesn't have any. Owner say he's out too, but might have one box in back of his own. He goes gets them and the old guy shakes his head and tells us, "I've been hunting for over 60 years and never, never in my life have I not been able to walk in any hardware store and buy a box of .22 shells". After he left, the other guy quickly asks the owner if he has any more .22 to sell. The owner says no. A few minutes later after the other guy walks out the owner turns to me and say....."guy's like him are the reason there's a shortage".
 
Lots of 40 at Academy today - if you are professional enough to use it.

Lots of 7.62 x 54 - so what.

Still would like to get some 22 LR for steel but that is not to be yet.
 
Yeap, the Goveremnt is buying ammo.

Lets see, there are 50,000 DHS LE officers. They have to qualify 4 times a year, plus practice. Plus the Coast Guard, plus none DHS Fed LEOs.

Yeap I'd think the goverment would require quite a bit of ammo.
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40,000 rounds per agent. Are you kidding me?

Now considering that most of those agents are not even specialized in high risk sitations the number per officer of those that would require a serious weapons qualification in training would be much higher.

But lets just say for the sake of argument that the ammo is for weapons qualification. That would mean 10,000 rounds per agent for each weapons qualification.

I would have to see some examples of units in law enforcement who need 10,000 rounds to pass a weapons qualification. I bet if they exist than they are most certianly not the pencil pushers that most of the agents in DHS consist of.

If the US department of homeland security were to wage a war as intense so that they consume 5.5 million rounds a month. They could wage a war for 30 years.
 
It boggles me how people get so worked up over DHS ammo purchases but can't be bothered to worry about drones and MRAPs.
 
It boggles me how people get so worked up over DHS ammo purchases but can't be bothered to worry about drones and MRAPs.
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To be fair, the MRAP news broke almost a year ago, and then nothing. I still haven't seen one "in the flesh", or heard of them actually being used. At this point, I give the "DHS MRAP" story about as much credence as the "UN Small Arms Treaty" emails I keep getting.

As for drones, they don't really add anything to the game domestically that we haven't had for years with manned police aircraft. Basically, they're glorified remote-controlled planes.
 
Yeap I'd think the goverment would require quite a bit of ammo.
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Of course they do. Always have, always will.

Funny thing is, many of us, up until lately enjoyed shooting bulk surplus ammo that was bought and stockpiled in huge amounts almost 70 years ago. I wonder if folks back then were afraid of the conspiracy to use all that ammo against them and their innocent children.
 
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Let's not go down the MRAP ate my baby or whatever path.
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And the drones watched!!!!!!!:D

My point being, conspiracy nonsense or not, it is aggravating when, whether it being the current sitting commander-in-chief, or perhaps the rise of secondary media, that even routine Government purchases have adopted an aura of conspriracy.

Another previously unforseen problem...

In the summer, I run the High Adventure program at a Boy Scout camp. In that guise, I also assist the camp director in his pre-summer preperations.

An inventory reveals 5,000 rounds (roughly) of .22 LR, which may seem exhoirbarant to some, but when you factor in about 480 kids needing to earn the Rifle Merit Badge, things get scary looking.
 
I have been shooting for over twenty years - pistol, rifle, rimfire. I always keep a good supply of home defense/personal defense ammunition for my HD and carry weapons. I have a decent supply of ammunition for my pistols and rifles. Now, I'm not talking zombie apocolypse quantities, here. Let's just say 1,000 rounds of each caliber (for pistols, rifles). And only about one brick of .22.

This ammo shortage is turning me into less a shooter and more of what people would call a hoarder. Shooting is becoming less fun for me because I am afraid to shoot what I have because I feel it would cut into my reserve of ammunition that I might need one day. (probably not, but you never know). So now whenever I see ammunition in any caliber that I own, I tend to buy it up and not shoot it. It's kind of like a vicious circle situation.
 
Me too Puddle. But I have not been actively seeking additional ammunition supplies. Think I may stop by Sportsman Warehouse tomorrow anyway as they had some Horandy 480 Ruger on the shelf and I plan on doing some shooting in the next week or so with that caliber; 40 rounds should do.
 
PS - the big box stores should put the ammo out in the afternoon to short circuit the hoarders and flippers who camp out in the morning. Put it out at random times.
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Respectfully disagree. That is just going to result in walmart employees texting or calling their friends the second it is rollong toward the case even more than they already are. At least at 600 am you have a fair shot. I don't think flippers or hoards are there at 600 am to buy three boxes of 50 rnge or 20 SD. they were probably there before the limit, but not now.
 
That's a good point about calling their friends. About the flippers - that has been the case. An LGS was soaking up bricks of 22 LR and taking them to their store for high prices. Happened at the local Bass Pro.
 
Many years ago shooting up a 50 round box of 22 ammo would take several outings. Now many shoot a brick for the same amount of shooting time.

Many have forgotten the enjoyment of one target one shot. Now it is 1 target -30 shots.
 
Respectfully disagree. That is just going to result in walmart employees texting or calling their friends the second it is rollong toward the case even more than they already are. At least at 600 am you have a fair shot. I don't think flippers or hoards are there at 600 am to buy three boxes of 50 rnge or 20 SD. they were probably there before the limit, but not now.
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Our local store had a problem with employees buying out the ammo shipment as soon as it unloaded, usually between 2:00-4:00 AM. They caught it and now the manager checks stock before putting it out around 7:30 AM.

So yes, that very thing has gone on and our little store is probably just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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