War Surgery Experiences

As a former Fisrt Responder (local Volly Fire Department), we were not allowed on scene until the Sheriff's Deputies had secured the scene. It was sometimes frustrating, as we would arrive 15-20 min. before the SO.
 
Yep MN is a different place, this is not legal advice, and I am not a lawyer, but would not calling an ambulance ( or requesting one on the 911 call) be considered "rendering aid" to a gunshot wound for most non medical professionals?

certainly going on record as requesting an ambulance ( would be sent in any case) is a positive thing to do in such a negative cultural environment ( e.g. media lynchings). I also happen to think it IS the right thing to do. And I presume that everyone here would at least do that
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You do not request an ambulance. You tell 911 that someone tried to kill you and you defended yourself. Your assailant was shot. You are really scared that there might be more BGs, please send the police! The 911 operator will send EMS and LEOs.
 
Navy Docs were almost like "gods" in the Corps. A Marine would take a round to save the life of a Doc in a heartbeat knowing that this Doc being alive means that more of his Marine brothers will survive. You posted a wonder example and although very graphic and detailed, I think people need to see it in true black and white like the way you presented it. I happened to see the result of an insurgent who was hit by a .50cal SLAP round and it was right then and there I never questioned the validity of whether or not a sniper rifle bullet could cut a human being in half because I had now see the result and effect up close and in person. When thinking about the whole "SHTF" scenario, my wife asks me what kind of weapons we should have. I told her that one of the most under looked weapons to have in your arsenal is a nice high power pellet rifle for hunting small game to not only conserve ammo, but also to keep quiet if you do not have a "can" on your other weapons. But with that I also have the other rifle I believe a person could never do without being the trusty Ruger 10/22. Now, the 10/22 I built for my wife is all tricked out with the Timney trigger, the fluted threaded bull barrel along with the raptor rifle stock but in all fairness, the amount of ammo you can carry with this weapon is nuts. My toss up between the AR 15/10 is exactly that, in the air. Price wise the .223 is much better but the .308 is both a wonderful weapon for laying down possible suppressive fire as well as being a precision sniper rifle as long as you carry the extra upper. That's the thing I love about the AR platform. So many people seem to forget that you can carry more than 1 upper for a variety of needs. You could for example have the short barrel upper with the 4 rails system built up for CQC. The Eotech sight, the green laser, for end grip etc... IF your lower has the PRS Magpul as the butt stock, you can swap out the upper with a 24" fluted target barrel that already has your optic fixed on it, maybe a bi-pod up front and then you can add the mono pod on the Magpul to have a complete sniper rifle. Like I said though, I just have not decided which round I would want as the primary rifle or if building one of each with 2 different uppers would suffice. I have always had that .338 Lapua Mag in the back of my head ever since Savage built that new one being offered for around $1200. Buy a nice H-S Precision stock, add a nice Leopold Mk4 and now you not only have the ultimate in long distance sniper systems but you also have one heck of an anti material weapon as well. Think taking out vehicles heck even choppers if they ever became a threat. I know, I know, doom and gloom and while all that 12/21/2012 stuff IMO is a bunch of rubbish as far as that being the exact date, I do believe that our generation may very well live to see some thing come to pass that no other one ever has nor ever will. With guns as you said, that big .50cal could end up being a hole puncher where the intended threat lives to fight another day while that .22 cal pellet rifle that shoots at 1500fps enters a person temple area or eye socket and ends their life. Sorry my post is so long and for sounding like a dooms day fanatic. Hope people enjoy and I would be very interested in opinions concerning what I have brought up.
 
I was once there: thanks for you support. You bring up a good point of not completely disregarding the smaller caliber carbines in combat, I think there are documented Israeli Mossad engagements with .22 pistols. I have a Colonel that works with me that says that he has heard of many Israelis run up and just unload the clip into your head or chest. Again, enough of any caliber and in the right spot can ensure death if you just keep shooting until they are confirmed dead, but taking a shot and then checking to see if they are dead with any caliber often times will not have the result you were hoping for. Any hunter probably has that story about the deer or random animal they swear they made a kill shot with that .30-06 or .308, only to chase the thing through the woods and find it dead hundreds of yards away. Just because the bullet hit center mass on where the animals heart should be, doesn't mean it hit their heart at all, it was just a higher probability of ending up there. Ribs love to deflect things in angles that sometimes don't even make any sense. Sometimes you get left with some Kennedy bullet theory story because the pieces just don't add up.
 
The Mossad did use .22 Short pistols, but they specialized in assasinations. Their prefered technique was to come up behind the target on the street, and empty thier .22 short Barretta into the back of the targets head, the drop the pistol and casually walk away.

That is not combat!
 
Actually, the Israelis issued Beretta model 70 22LR (not short) to their sky marshals. The following account describes one (of two epsiodes of the use of the Beretta by Mordechai Rachamim) instance in which the Beretta was used against hijackers.

During the incident that took place in February of 1969, Israeli Sky Marshal Mordechai Rachamim engaged several heavily armed Arab terrorists as they attacked an EL Al airliner on a snow covered runway in Zurich. Despite the odds against him, the young Israeli sky marshal expertly used his issued Beretta Model 70 pistol to kill one of the Palestinian terrorists, moments before the Zurich Police arrived and took the remaining terrorists into custody.
 
Doc TH said:
...The following account describes one (of two epsiodes of the use of the Beretta by Mordechai Rachamim) instance in which the Beretta was used against hijackers....
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When posting something that purports to be an account of an actual event, it's good form to include a link or at least cite a source.
 
Tactical Weapons May 2009.
There have also been many threads on the Beretta model 70 in the Firing Line Forums that contain similar information.
 
War Surgery Experiences? Absolutely none.
Enlisted in USMC in 1963. We received First Aid with emphasis on Stop the bleeding, Clear the airway and Treat for shock. That is if a corpman was not present.
All of our First Aid training was as stated above even including our pre-deployment training for our turn in the barrel in Vietnam. I was a rifle sqd. leader and aided our corpman (we had 1 per plt.) when he got overwhemed with casualties. I have treated a sunken chest wound, intestines outside of the body cavity, assisted in 2 tracheotomies, and head wounds.
If I remember when we administered a tourniquet we placed a "T" with the wounded Marines blood on his forehead, and noted the time the tourniquet was placed.
For the sunken chest wound we wrapped his poncho around him to create an air tight protection.
Intestines outside the body cavity we poured water over the intestines and placed them back into his body.
Head wounds, we treated for shock, and I think that was about it.
When I assisted with the tracheomatamy, the corpman used a ballpoint pen for the breathing tube.
When the corpman administered morphine, he carried 1/4 gram serettes, he would stick the used serette for however many he used on the left lepel of the casualties uniform.
Medical evac. was fast, ever when we were under heavy fire day or night. I remember several occasions when along with the Medevac. came extra corpman to help on the ground because our corpman was overwhelmed.

On several occasions after we were taken out of the field I went over to our Battalion Aid Station (BAS) to see the status of some of my men. That place looked and smelled like a slaughter house. Literally blood and discarted bandages all over the floor. You were walking and slipping in the blood.
Don't ask me about the triage corner. All of our politians and citizens who get their rocks off spouting off lets (not them of course) go kill'em and let God sort them out spend a few minutes there.:mad:

Camar out.
 
Thanks to everyone who served and to those still in service.

Anyone could be trained to pull a trigger and take a life. It takes a whole lot more to save one. Here's to the medics!
 
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