War on Drugs snares 12-year-old with powdered sugar

"then it becomes intent to distrubute...very serious."

Intent to distribute what? Powdered sugar? That's not a crime. (Well, maybe it is in Florida.) He clearly would not have any intent to distribute drugs, since he *knows* he's distributing powdered sugar and not drugs.

Frankly, if people in Florida are worried about things like this (and I can't imagine why they would be) I don't see why they don't try to prosecute these cases as fraud.

Tim
 
doesn't matter

If you say something like "sure its coke...wanna buy some" the intent to sell something as a narcotic is there. I'm not saying the situation isn't silly, it was just a thought I had.

Give it a try. Go out on the street and try slangin bags of powdered sugar as coke. Then when the cops get there try convincing them that it was only powdered sugar, and that you weren't attempting to distribute a "supposed" narcotic. That outa be 5-10 years worth of fun...(mabey 3 on good behavior w/2 yrs probation...)
 
I remember when this guy, several years ago, had an antique bottle of Coca-Cola which was unopened. The DEA forced him to open the bottle and dispose of the contents because Coca-Cola at the time this bottle was filled still contained trace amounts of cocaine. The collector value of the bottle was reduced by a significant amount but the DEA didn't give a rat's a$$ nor did they offer remuneration for the damage they caused.

Your government in action!
 
"Do some checking on your own state's laws, you will find that it is a crime there also."

Yep, evidently you're right. I should have known that California wouldn't want to be left behind in the race to piss away all our civil rights.

Tim
 
Yeah Tim and I didn't even know what state you were in.

All states have a law like this
The spirit of the law in my opinion is to make it a crime to sell any substance as a drug to combat street crime.

Not to jail a stupid kid for a stupid remark, if that was what it was

But go to an airport and, complaining about the service, suggest that the building should burn down and see what happens
or go to Disney World and casually mention that all tourists should be shot while standing too close to a security officer:)
 
But go to an airport and, complaining about the service, suggest that the building should burn down and see what happens
or go to Disney World and casually mention that all tourists should be shot while standing too close to a security officer
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Back in the Day, we had names for places like that. They were not "Places That Keep You Safe"; they were called "Police States".

Go figure on how far we've "evolved" in a couple of decades.
Rich
 
Agree or disagree with the concept it is a fact of life and I don't see anything changing soon.

A term paper at 12 beats a jail term at 18

Either that are start training him to be a political activist and work towards change
 
"The spirit of the law in my opinion is to make it a crime to sell any substance as a drug to combat street crime."

No doubt true, and that's the crowning irony. How could an anti-drug person possibly see anything wrong with selling a harmless substance to a would-be drug user?

Tim
 
Guys,

There is no intent requirement for statutory rape. It is a strict liability crime--kind of like a lot of traffic offenses. If you have sex with a woman, the burden is on you to know how old she is. There have been cases where the girl's parents have told the defendant that the girl was of age, and they still prosecuted!

Just to add my two cents. We are wasting billions of dollars on this inane war on drugs. What a grown person does to his or herself is their own business. Do I do drugs? Nope. I don't smoke either.

Prohibition simply does not work. People dumb enough to smoke crack are not deterred by free room and board. Let them smoke it. If they commit crimes, REAL crimes then lock them up. I can tell you this, your tax refund check would be a hell of a lot bigger next year if they legalized drugs.

People complain about the rights that have been damaged by the "War on terror." Any rights we have lost in the war on terror PALE in comparison to those that we have lost in the name of the "war on drugs." Everything from arrest devolving into "Terry stops/pat downs" to PC-less road blocks. It is bad out there folks. The entire system is on its head. People are having their cars seized, cash seized, phones seized, guns seized. They will file a forfeiture action against you, and guess who has to hire an attorney to get it back? That would be you. The State counts on you doing a cost/benefit analysis and choosing to let them keep your stuff. Take a look around--the DA is probably driving a new Expedition. If you think the burden is on the state to prove guilt you are sadly mistaken. Just words folks, just words.

GHB
 
How could an anti-drug person possibly see anything wrong with selling a harmless substance to a would-be drug user
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It does not include only harmless substances rat poison usefd to be passed off.

And if anyone thinks this is a new law.
One of my cousins was arrested for selling oregano about 25 years ago, he was fourteen.
He got off because another cousin was sheriff of the county

Couple of years later he was arrested for soliciting an undercover cop

He asked her how much to "go around the world" while driving by in a car, he circled around and and told her "I only have a dollar how about we just go around the block"

Cousin Tom told him he only got one pass for stupidity and made him stay in jail for the weekend
 
Agree or disagree with the concept it is a fact of life and I don't see anything changing soon.
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Agreed absolutely.

The Law is the Law and it must be Good. Nothing to see here, People. The Law has been broken. Punishment has been meted. All is well in the World. Move along now.

:rolleyes:
Rich
 
Not you to Rich

Where have I said that the law was good?

Actions have consequences.
If the parents aren't going to make this a test case against the war on drugs or teach the kid to be an activist against the war on drugs then he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut or take the consequences like a man-boy
 
One of my cousins was arrested for selling oregano about 25 years ago, he was fourteen.
He got off because another cousin was sheriff of the county

Couple of years later he was arrested for soliciting an undercover cop

He asked her how much to "go around the world" while driving by in a car, he circled around and and told her "I only have a dollar how about we just go around the block"
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wow. the guy got in trouble for pretending to commit a harmless crime and attempting to commit a harmless crime. both cases lack a victim..
 
There is no intent requirement for statutory rape. It is a strict liability crime--kind of like a lot of traffic offenses. If you have sex with a woman, the burden is on you to know how old she is.
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Various states have various laws concerning the age of consent. In some states the age is eighteen and in others it can be as low as fourteen; or in some cases, thirteen.

The rub is that if one takes a minor from one state to another -- where the age of consent is lower -- for purposes of sexual congress they can be prosecuted for doing so.

If a person takes a minor from a state where they would be of legal age of consent to a state where the age is higher they will be prosecuted because they were in a jurisdiction with a higher age when the "crime" occurred.

ie: If you go to another state in one instance they convict you under the laws of the state you came from; and in the other instance they convict you under the laws of the state you went to.

Sex with a woman who is seventeen years three hundred sixty four days old in CA will get you the same punishment as though she were fourteen. You will be put on a sex offender list, the neighbors will harrass you, beat you, burn down your home, and otherwise act like the criminals they purport to despise because they see your name, face, and address on a police sponsored webpage.

Yet if you were to have sex with that fourteen year old girl in Iowa, Missouri, or South Carolina, you could emblazon it on your naked chest with a tattoo and suffer no consequences whatsoever. Or if you want to have homosexual M/M or F/F sex with a boy or girl in New Mexico you're good to go at thirteen.

SOURCE
 
the guy got in trouble for pretending to commit a harmless crime and attempting to commit a harmless crime. both cases lack a victim..
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Never said it was right, just not new.

And he actually wasn't trying to pick up the hooker, he was just half drunk

And amazingly even being underage and driving drunk the only thing they arrested him for was trying to pick up a hooker, that he knew was a cop
 
Regardless of whatever happens here on this thread the fact remains there are veryu powerful forces in this country.

Unfortunetely it is not an issue of blame but it rather begs the question, "What can be done?"

While this incident isn't the end of the world, it will be eclipsed within a year or two by something worse and much more corrosive.

What can you do? Stand on a street corner with a sign that says, "Down with the NWO?" Come on... Unless people start meeting at the range/church/school etc... and getting HEATED nothing will change. They will only recognize the force of their parents mobilizing to gain fair treatment for the children.

After all, there is absolutely no point to these laws.
No cocaine law, no fake cocaine.
No drug laws, no anti-drug school laws.
No anti drug school laws, more focus on education.

Problem, Solved.
 
After all, there is absolutely no point to these laws.
No cocaine law, no fake cocaine.
No drug laws, no anti-drug school laws.
No anti drug school laws, more focus on education.
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Kids coming to school stoned, less attention paid to education.
 
Kids coming to school stoned, less attention paid to education.
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Are kids allowed to come to school drunk? Of course not so why would anyone think that legalization of drugs would allow them to come to school stoned or tweaked?
 
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