Want to run an Idea by you fellas

I could try to keep learning. I really enjoy it.

If you enjoy it, find a way to make money at it, and you'll never have to work a day in your life. There is nothing better than doing something you enjoy for a living.

not as a living, going to be a machinist and fabricator for that).

You want to be a machinist/fabricator ...... you like guns .... why not be a Gunsmith?

A Gunsmith that can make his own stocks and do stock repair/refinishing would be a better gunsmith than one who could not, all else being equal. More versatility, more options, and all work done in-house.

Patience and Diligence, and you can be whatever you wish!
 
jimbob86 said:
If you enjoy it, find a way to make money at it, and you'll never have to work a day in your life. There is nothing better than doing something you enjoy for a living.


Or... you'll wind up stressed out and hating it and you'll have turned something you love into something you hate and you'll hate both your job AND your former hobby.

Life's not all sunshine and roses.

I always recommend a career that pays well and is tolerable. Use the money to do what you enjoy that's NOT work. I'd much rather be the millionaire (or hundred thousandaire) doctor or lawyer or architect or dentist or whatever guy who loves hiding in his gunsmithing machine shop on weekends than be the I-used-to-love-gunsmithing until I had to work 95 hours, 7 days a week to squeak out a living guy.
 
I like welding and working in a machine shop, though. My Grandpa's profession (what I want to do) pays very well depending on how many people come in with stuff and how much stuff his Contractor has to do, usually a lot of projects a month.
 
Or... you'll wind up stressed out and hating it and you'll have turned something you love into something you hate and you'll hate both your job AND your former hobby.

Then you made it work ..... the very best thing about being your own boss and sole employee is you get to work at the pace you want ..... I may never be rich, but I'll be happy.
 
Being a machinist can pay very well. It depends on your ability to run your business (the paperwork/compliance/tax side), your skill, capital investment, ability to provide good products and services in a timely manner with a good attitude and, the ability to network, find new business and build your good reputation and client base.

One mile up the road from me, a guy started a machine shop. He was skilled and had good machines, he was gone in a year. 4 miles the other way, is a machine shop that was started decades ago, is now on it's second owner, employs a couple hundred people on 2 shifts and is constantly adding new buildings before they finish the previous one.

Papa John's pizza shop started as a one man operation in one store (a closet, really) and now it's a huge national chain and he's a gajillionaire. Untold thousands (tens of thousands) of others have started with more money, better pizza and better locations and folded within a year.

You need more than a want and a dream. Hard work, perseverance, no small share of luck and the ability to get up, dust yourself off and go back at it when (not if) you fail are more important than anything else.

As I said, I'd rather have a tolerable, high-paying job than to turn a hobby into a mediocre career that kept me from enjoying life. Not being a downer, just keeping it real. Things to consider.
 
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Having refinished a great many rifle and shotgun stocks the best advice I can share is to go slowly. Take you time...lots of time. Removing dents is a slow process and takes patience. Never, ever try to remove dents with sandpaper, you will surely ruin a stock.

As others have said, checkering can be most difficult, especially if it needs to be re cut prior to final finishing.

There are a multitude of finishes, stains, etc.

You can PM me if you like.
 
There's no reason you can't buy old beat up stocks (Mosin Nagants, for example, very often come with stocks in poor condition) and refinish them and maybe turn them around for a small profit.

I would not want to work on somebody else's stock until I had been doing it at least for several years. If someone wants a wood stock refinished, odds are they really care about it and they'll want a professional job done -- otherwise they probably wouldn't mind the beat up stock.

But if someone just needs a replacement stock for their rifle (or if they buy a barreled action, something like that) they might be willing to pay for a refinished one. I know, for instance, that "blonde" stocks on Mosins and K31s are pretty desirable. That could be a start.

Also, if you think you're pretty good at finishing wood, have you considered taking it a step further and making handgun grips or something similar? All you really need to get started (at least with experimentation) is some type of saw (jig saw, band saw, etc.), a drill press, and files and sandpaper. I decided to start with knife scales, but it's pretty much the same idea.

You could try making rifle and shotgun stocks from blanks too, but inletting them is a big step up in difficulty
 
Also, if you think you're pretty good at finishing wood, have you considered taking it a step further and making handgun grips or something similar? All you really need to get started (at least with experimentation) is some type of saw (jig saw, band saw, etc.), a drill press, and files and sandpaper.

Many grips also require checkering, and getting the design, spacing, depth, etc. correct takes patience and a lot of practice to acquire the necessary skills
 
As others have noted, I think that everyone here wants to see you successful at this, regardless of whether you do this as a hobby or a business. If you choose to do this as a business, though, then it's important that you have a realistic understanding of what it takes to succeed in business. I mean you no disrespect in saying that most of us here have more years on this earth than you. We have the benefit of more years of life experience, and we're trying to give you some of that benefit.

So, with all of that said, I'll give you a little of my background before offering some ideas: I owned my own law practice for several years before I had to close the doors. In retrospect, I know which mistakes I made, and which factors were beyond my control in the failure of my firm. That's the life experience that I bring to the table. I'm also what I'd call "mechanically reclined." IOW, crafts and mechanical things do not come naturally to me. I'm a "words and concepts" guy. I have to be really careful doing any sort of craft because, if I don't, I'll get impatient, hurry the job, and it will come out looking sloppy.

If you want to do this as a business (not a decision that you have to make right now, obviously), you'll need more than a dream. If you watch any reality programming, you'll constantly hear contestants say "X is my life. It's all I want to do. That's why I should win the bajillion dollar prize nand contract." That's not enough. You'll need marketable skills (like the woodworking). You'll need "ancillary skills," like accounting. Some of those skills you'll need for yourself, others can be hired. You'll need start-up money to pay bills (whatever you might have) and to buy supplies. You'll need a market for those skills. I might make the most fantastic SuperWidgets in the world, but if nobody wants a SuperWidget, Spats' SuperWidgets is doomed to failure. You'll need to consider legal issues, such as forming a corporation, in the event you need to take out a loan to buy a shop. By saying this, I do not mean to say or imply, in any way, that you should not do it. I loved working for myself. (It just turns out that I'm a very good lawyer, and a terrible businessman.) I'm just saying that there are many factors that should be taken into account. I would hope that you would take the advice here in the spirit in which it is offered: an attempt to help you succeed by getting off on the right foot.

As for a hobby, I'll join in with the folks here telling you that you should get out and refinish "wood." Got an old, beat-up chair? Refinish it. Take your time. Woodworking takes patience. (As an aside, my grandfather built a bunch of furniture in his lifetime. My grandmother used to get mad at him because he wouldn't let her buy furniture. If she liked a piece, he went home and built one just like it.) Head down to Home Depot and Lowe's. When someone buys wood there, the store will cut it for free, which leaves them with some scraps that they can't use. See if you can get them for free or cheap and practice on those. (For that matter, HD or L's might offer a free class that could help you improve your skills.) Does your school offer a shop class? Woodworking? No, you probably won't get to build a rifle stock in school, but it's a free chance to improve skills.
 
Taking some classes is a great idea -- woodworking stores (Woodcraft, Rockler, and the like) offer all sorts. They're not always free, but they're usually inexpensive: the stores use them as a way of luring customers. You can also learn a lot by reading -- those same stores will have some excellent books on the subject.
 
I've been working with wood and wood finishes since I was about 14 years old - which would make it 51 years, and I still have surprises with wood finishes.

My suggestion as a really good starting point would be to buy "Understanding Wood Finishing" by Bob Flexner. It is one of the best books on wood finishing you can find and will help you understand how finishes work and the best ways to prep wood for finishing and then how to choose the finish.

Wood finishing takes experience, and the only way you get that is by doing it. You just need to understand the basic principles of different types of finishes and then use your best judgment as to how to approach the piece of wood.
 
I think I just might keep doing it as a hobby. I actually posted in this thread. Never wanted it to be any sort of business or career.


I think you have given yourself the best advice of any.....for now. But don't let the nay-sayers beat you down. Take it slow...research more before jumpin' in with two feet. Not just your methods, but the materials you are using. Dumping boiling water on a stock may raise some of the small dings, but it also can ruin a quality stock, by warping it, staining it or raising the grain. The chemicals you use such as the oil finishes can be highly flammable, especially in enclosed spaces. Other chemicals and solvents can be toxic when inhaled or when exposed to the skin. This includes sanding dust from many of the woods used on gunstocks. One, two or ten exposures, may not affect a young man's health. But repeated and/or continuous exposures can lead to permanent health issues. Make sure you take appropriate precautions, such as proper ventilation, protective gloves, clothing and eyewear, and make sure you dispose of used chemicals and stain/finish rags and materials properly. Have seen too many dumpsters outside of new homes I've built burning because the stainer just randomly tossed his rags in there.

Best of luck on your endeavor. Even if it does not become a source of income, it seems you have found a new passion that may stay with you thru-out your life time.
 
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