walther p99
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Paachow, thanks.
KY Imports is a couple of miles from where I work, I guess I'll give them a call. Maybe one each paycheck won't hurt so bad and tomorrow is Friday
What about this XYZ and One Eyed Jack? Haven't run across them before. Do you have contact info, or better yet a website address?
KY Imports is a couple of miles from where I work, I guess I'll give them a call. Maybe one each paycheck won't hurt so bad and tomorrow is Friday
What about this XYZ and One Eyed Jack? Haven't run across them before. Do you have contact info, or better yet a website address?
After buying some 15 round'ers for my Glock 20 10mm at $150 each, the $99 P99 mags seemed like a bargin. I got 2 from KY Imports, shipping was a little slow but they arrived still sealed in the plastic. $99 is a small price to pay, even if you just get them as a converstaion piece. Pre bans for a gun that didnt come out untill well after the ban always draws funny looks.
Carbon_15,
I just ordered a P99 pre-ban magazine from KY Imports.
I have a question for you. When you got yours, was it a 15 or 16 round mag and did it have the Walther info on the base plate?
The girl that took my order said that they are 15 round capacity mags but, "New Full Size, Pre-Ban Factory Original Magazine" for $99.99. Everything that I have read is that the pre-ban full capacity mags are suppose to be 16 round.
She gave me the option of returning it if it was not as advertised. ?????
I just ordered a P99 pre-ban magazine from KY Imports.
I have a question for you. When you got yours, was it a 15 or 16 round mag and did it have the Walther info on the base plate?
The girl that took my order said that they are 15 round capacity mags but, "New Full Size, Pre-Ban Factory Original Magazine" for $99.99. Everything that I have read is that the pre-ban full capacity mags are suppose to be 16 round.
She gave me the option of returning it if it was not as advertised. ?????
Will Beararms
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Oil the crap out of the slide and the hood (top) of the breech and call me in the morning.
JMC, I am not Carbon but P99 pre-bans are 16 round mags. They have markings on them from MecGar, who Walther uses as a subcontractor. I believe they also have "P99" on the baseplate.
I am guessing, but I bet they sent you mags for the old P88. It was a double stack 15 round mag.
The site shows they have both in stock. I have read posts elsewhere regarding KY Imports, that not all of their clerks are knowledgeable, so the girl may not know the difference.
Earl's shows them as a 16 round mag, and so does the Walther website.
Caveat Emptor.
I am guessing, but I bet they sent you mags for the old P88. It was a double stack 15 round mag.
The site shows they have both in stock. I have read posts elsewhere regarding KY Imports, that not all of their clerks are knowledgeable, so the girl may not know the difference.
Earl's shows them as a 16 round mag, and so does the Walther website.
Caveat Emptor.
WaltherP99man,
Thanks for the info.
Yes, I know the P88 mags are right above the P99 listing and I called her back and asked about this. She still assures me that she is sending me a P99 factory new Walther 15 rd. mag.
When I asked if the mag was mfg. by Mec-Gar she didn't know but again told me that it was a Walther mag.
I know Earl's has them but he is $26.00 more + shipping!
Thanks for the info.
Yes, I know the P88 mags are right above the P99 listing and I called her back and asked about this. She still assures me that she is sending me a P99 factory new Walther 15 rd. mag.
When I asked if the mag was mfg. by Mec-Gar she didn't know but again told me that it was a Walther mag.
I know Earl's has them but he is $26.00 more + shipping!
Ok, I called KY Imports again and this time I spoke with a guy who read off the info directly from the mag.
Mec-Gar made with Walther banner on butt plate and P99 and Walther banner on the body of the mag. It's a 15 shooter, not a 16 shooter. ???
UPDATE: I called Walther-USA and asked about the mag capacity for the P99. I know what it is but I want to hear them tell me.
Well, first the guy tells me that there were no pre-ban full capacity (hi caps) made for the Walther P99 and starts telling me of the dates of mfg. and the '94 ban.
So, right off the bat I know I'm in trouble as far as getting credible information. I explain about KY Imports and he puts me on hold to check.
When he comes back he tells that the only hi cap mags for the P99 are LE only at 16 rds. and there were, are, NO pre ban hi caps for the gun.
Bottom line is, Walther-USA doesn't even know why it's 15 rds. instead of 16. The only thing they DO know for sure is that Mec-Gar makes the mags.
I can't wait for the mag to get here.
Mec-Gar made with Walther banner on butt plate and P99 and Walther banner on the body of the mag. It's a 15 shooter, not a 16 shooter. ???
UPDATE: I called Walther-USA and asked about the mag capacity for the P99. I know what it is but I want to hear them tell me.
Well, first the guy tells me that there were no pre-ban full capacity (hi caps) made for the Walther P99 and starts telling me of the dates of mfg. and the '94 ban.
So, right off the bat I know I'm in trouble as far as getting credible information. I explain about KY Imports and he puts me on hold to check.
When he comes back he tells that the only hi cap mags for the P99 are LE only at 16 rds. and there were, are, NO pre ban hi caps for the gun.
Bottom line is, Walther-USA doesn't even know why it's 15 rds. instead of 16. The only thing they DO know for sure is that Mec-Gar makes the mags.
I can't wait for the mag to get here.
JMC, a though occured to me. They are looking at the witness holes in the mags. I bet they are marked 5, 10, 15 but when you load the mag 1 more will fit in.
This is a constant source of confusion. The gun was introduced in the US in 1997 at the shot show. The story I hear most often is the guns and the magazines were already mfg. and available in Europe pre '94. Some savy importers bought all they could lay there hands on and brought them in before the ban was imposed. A couple of Walther collector sites mention the mags and say there are legal 16rd civilian mags available in limited quanties.
WaltherUSA is a new company, formed in part to help Walther distance itself from the S&W deal. They were originally imported by Interarms of Virginia, then by S&W when the SW99 pistol deal was struck. It's not suprising the people you talked to knew nothing of the mags since Walther didn't bring them in.
The whole story makes the needle on my BS meter twitch a little, but there used to be a lot of them out there for sale.
This is a constant source of confusion. The gun was introduced in the US in 1997 at the shot show. The story I hear most often is the guns and the magazines were already mfg. and available in Europe pre '94. Some savy importers bought all they could lay there hands on and brought them in before the ban was imposed. A couple of Walther collector sites mention the mags and say there are legal 16rd civilian mags available in limited quanties.
WaltherUSA is a new company, formed in part to help Walther distance itself from the S&W deal. They were originally imported by Interarms of Virginia, then by S&W when the SW99 pistol deal was struck. It's not suprising the people you talked to knew nothing of the mags since Walther didn't bring them in.
The whole story makes the needle on my BS meter twitch a little, but there used to be a lot of them out there for sale.
I've got a question about the pre-ban mags. I heard that it is legal to import hi-cap magazines into the country for pre-clinton ban made handguns. Is this true? If it is, than these distributers of the magazines are probably making a killing on these magazines, because you can get these magazines in Germany for $30-$40, maybe even less.
P99
P99
ATF regs sub section 178.119:
A statement by the importer that the device is being imported for
sale to purchasers specified in § 178.40a(b)(which defines Feds and LEOs for the law) or physical or reasonable documentary evidence establishing that the magazine was manufactured on or before September 13, 1994.
In other words, if they are importing new ones and "making a killing" there attorney better be holding the $$ in escrow because they are dead meat when the ATF checks them.
FWIW, this is what I received on the subject from Kurt Hindle, the head of Walther-USA:
I received your email, and I spoke with the gentleman (Larry) while you were on hold. Let me start by telling you that the P99 was developed, and first sold into commerce in 1998 (four years after the Crime Bill). The Walther P88, is a 9 mm double stacked pistol, which first went into production in 1985, and was a 15 round capacity magazine. I believe what you are seeing advertised as a 15 round P99 magazine, is really a P88 magazine. The magazines were I believe both manufactured by Mec-Gar, but their compatibility between one gun and another is anyone's guess. The P99 is 16 rounds. It was not manufactured, even in prototype form, before the signing of the Crime Bill in 1994. This means that there is not a "Pre-Crime Bill" hi capacity magazine specifically for the P99.
I appreciate him responding so quickly.
I received your email, and I spoke with the gentleman (Larry) while you were on hold. Let me start by telling you that the P99 was developed, and first sold into commerce in 1998 (four years after the Crime Bill). The Walther P88, is a 9 mm double stacked pistol, which first went into production in 1985, and was a 15 round capacity magazine. I believe what you are seeing advertised as a 15 round P99 magazine, is really a P88 magazine. The magazines were I believe both manufactured by Mec-Gar, but their compatibility between one gun and another is anyone's guess. The P99 is 16 rounds. It was not manufactured, even in prototype form, before the signing of the Crime Bill in 1994. This means that there is not a "Pre-Crime Bill" hi capacity magazine specifically for the P99.
I appreciate him responding so quickly.
FYI,
This is the response that I got from Paul Pierce of KY Imports when I advised them of what Walther-USA advised me and my intentions of sending the magazine back if I had any doubt as to its authenticity:
your order is cancelled. Please do not contact us in the future.
So much for doing business with them again!
This is the response that I got from Paul Pierce of KY Imports when I advised them of what Walther-USA advised me and my intentions of sending the magazine back if I had any doubt as to its authenticity:
your order is cancelled. Please do not contact us in the future.
So much for doing business with them again!
And thus ends my quest for hi-cap P99 mags. Call me paranoid but I can here plaintiff's counsel now "So Mr. Walther rep. are you telling the court that P99 man used evil illegal hi-cap magazines when he shot my client. Isn't that a violation of federal law? He must be lying about self defense then."
If the factory won't even acknowledge the possibility they exist, it's not worth it to me to risk it.
As for Ky Imports, from what I have been reading on other threads here and elsewhere, it's a love hate relationship. If you hand over your cash and take what they give you, they love you. If you have any complaints or problems FO & D.
If the factory won't even acknowledge the possibility they exist, it's not worth it to me to risk it.
As for Ky Imports, from what I have been reading on other threads here and elsewhere, it's a love hate relationship. If you hand over your cash and take what they give you, they love you. If you have any complaints or problems FO & D.
I think I trust Earl at Earl's Repair Service more than Kurt Hindle at Walther USA. Earl sold and still sells PREBAN Walther P99 mags. He is a Walther Importer. He KNOWS and SAYS that there were indeed some made before the ban. Now, he also says, he's the only one that has the legal ones. Don't know about that. There certainly seems to be more floating around than what Earl says were manufactured.
Earl would NOT be selling illegal mags.
REAL Walther P99 MecGar standard capacity magazines are 16 rounds. A Walther P88 magazine will not work in a P99.
Contact Earl for more information www.waltherusa.net
Regards,
James
P.S. I got my first two 16 round P99 9mm mags from Earl with my James Bond MI-6 P99. I got my next two from KY Imports. Subsequent ones were purchased "elsewhere".
Earl would NOT be selling illegal mags.
REAL Walther P99 MecGar standard capacity magazines are 16 rounds. A Walther P88 magazine will not work in a P99.
Contact Earl for more information www.waltherusa.net
Regards,
James
P.S. I got my first two 16 round P99 9mm mags from Earl with my James Bond MI-6 P99. I got my next two from KY Imports. Subsequent ones were purchased "elsewhere".