WAGC : Listed as a "hate Group"

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Uh, oh....

I just stirred up a hornet's nest here at work.... The NRA is being "officially" contacted.... A holocaust surviver (witness at the Nurenberg trial) who works with us is too all up in arms....

The thing I find most appalling is using Mr Wiesenthal's sacred name and image for yet another sneaky effort to "silence" any non-PC-lockstep voice..... Strange how people forget history, especially that kind of history.


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some of the pages they link to are disturbing, such as the guy who talkas about after the coming civil war having seperate ethnically based nations, that bothers me.

but in general, like 98.9% of the sites they calla nti-government hate sites should not be listed as such.
these peopel are nuts and need to be brought to the attention of that fact. everyone should email them and politely tell them we think theyre nuts.
 
guerilla1138: I'm inclined to think that these "mistakes" are at least partially innocent, just because some of them are so stupid.

I mean, they've got a site on how to build spud guns under "anarchists". I'M an anarchist, and I'm not sure what spud guns have to do with political philosphy, let alone hate.

Then again, there are just SO MANY mistakes under the "anti-government" catagory, that you have to figure that whoever compiled this list just doesn't believe in the existance of legitimate political disagreements, and is awfully quick to attribute them to hate.



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416 Rigby:
You are dead right! The current effort to label any non-leftist organization as "hateful" is one of the most sinister trends in this society. Hopefully the sheer heavy-handedness of it will cause it to backfire sooner, rather than later.

Threads like this make me grateful for TFL! Within a few days of the original posting, the Wiesenthal Center is already being called on their defamatory classifications, not only by the NRA but by a Holocaust survivor. I love it! This is a great example of using the Net for grassroots politics.

Overall, TFL'ers seem to grasp this opportunity better than people on many other boards. If this issue had been posted on the so-called "mainstream" conservative forum at Town Hall, it would have been ignored and would, by now, be on page 10. Too many of the regulars there would rather exchange personal insults with the few liberals who show up than do anything constructive. I can't help but notice that the so-called gun nuts on TFL are more civil and lucid than most posters on the Net....
 
Somebody please remind those wanks that if the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto had been properly armed, things might have been different.
 
Geez ... never thought I'd be a member of a hate-group. What will my mother say? :D

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I hope you know that ANY member of any group listed like this can sue the pants off this group for libel and slander. The Members of WAGC, in particular, should go find a nice pro-gun pro bono attorney and sue their socks off! Sue as individuals, not as a group so they have to defend against MULTIPLE lawsuits at the same time. Use discovery A LOT! This gets very expensive very fast for the idiots. This tactic can wipe out groups like this. And should!

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WTF? Alpine Aire, the dehydrated camping food company, is anti-government???? Hell, they are even making a kosher foods line of products!
 
They've made some great choices there. :)

-Alpine Aire Bulk Beans is anti-government.

-Barefoot Computing is, too. I'm pretty worried about this one. The guy actually has the "Footprints" poem listed here.

-A guy with an interest in extreme ways to light his grill is an anarchist.

Some were just interesting. Gay Aryan Resistance?
 
I second the lawsuit concept. While I agree with much of what their organization does, I think that indiscriminate political correctness will prove to be detrimental to the accomplishment of their overall goals.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jim V:
I wonder how soon it will be before JPFO is added.

It sure does not seem to take much to be branded anti government or a hate group. Since HCI and others of their ilk hate gun owners so much, could we request that those groups be added?

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wouldn't be nice if ALL pro 2A, religious, pro Contituion, pro freedom orgs and individuals did as Oleg did? :D :D
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dZ:
well, well

they picked on me too:
The March for Liberty

no mention of the TRT?

gee, whats up wit dat?

dZ
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welcome to the ELITE club DZ :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
I have a hard time taking such a list seriously. It almost seems like good advertisement. I can understand why the jerks would get on your nerves, though. Don't let 'em get you down. Nothin' says lovin' like a woman who has the guts to help defend her family.

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Those who use arms well cultivate the Way and keep the rules.Thus they can govern in such a way as to prevail over the corrupt- Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[This message has been edited by Apple a Day (edited October 25, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TexasVet:
I hope you know that ANY member of any group listed like this can sue the pants off this group for libel and slander. The Members of WAGC, in particular, should go find a nice pro-gun pro bono attorney and sue their socks off! Sue as individuals, not as a group so they have to defend against MULTIPLE lawsuits at the same time. Use discovery A LOT! This gets very expensive very fast for the idiots. This tactic can wipe out groups like this. And should!

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I also belong to the local affiliate of Gunowners of America. They attempted a law suit of this kind with Morris Dees as well as the local fish wrapper. Being labeled a "militia/anyi guvmint" type org. The out come of it was thatis was thrown out of court as being free speech, seems the left can call us anything they want, but let us stand up in defense of the Constitution and it's 'hate speech" ...... but a law suits not undoable, it's being discussed, however, WAGC would have to have some serious help being that WAGC operates off doantions from members and supporters. we'll see what developes.... keep us updated on what NRA says....

FYI, the listing Ga MTN Productions is a local gun show promoter.... :) which is where I'll be this weekend working a table for Bush/Cheney, Mat Mattingly, Bob Barr and Sunny Warren all combined :)
ga folks , come see me ;)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Apple a Day:
I have a hard time taking such a list seriously. It almost seems like good advertisement. I can understand why the jerks would get on your nerves, though. Don't let 'em get you down. Nothin' says lovin' like a woman who has the guts to help defend her family.

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Hey I actually appreciate his thinking of WAGC as being athorn in his side, hey for only being in existance for 6 yrs I think we done real good..... and to be on the list ahead of TRT, wow :D

The only bad part about it is that if they get Hate crime legislation passed, it might not be so good for us.....
 
OBTW, this heads up came to WAGC from a sweet guy in Australia.... :D


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Well, I sent 'em a note...

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I found a web site that is targeting and stereotyping people who have committed no crimes, and voiced no hatred. It's not "antisemitism," and it isn't strictly "racism," but it definitely is uninformed and ignorant bigotry.
http://www.wiesenthal.com/d_hate/links_antigov.html

I'm a competitive target shooter, and am quite appalled that your organization is targeting legitimate shooting/firearms sites, such as Women against Gun Control, and painting them with the same colors as skinheads, nazis and kluckers.

Since you likely have little or no experience with America's "gun culture," let me assure you that the vast majority of us share many of your beliefs and values. My father, armed with a Browning machine gun, helped liberate camps during the end days of WWII, and really doesn't like to talk about that period in history. Can't say as I blame him. Sometimes it's better to block the trauma, and go on with one's life. But I digress...

Unlike the stereotype you're likely familiar with, you should realize that many of us members of the "gun culture" are also members of minority groups. Many of us are women, senior citizens, gays, straights, whatever...

And this is defaming us all. I _do not_ like having my participation in this sport likened to membership in an organization such as the kluckers.

Your action in including the listings of the shooting sports webring, and similar sites, among garbage such as you have disturbs me greatly.

For what it's worth, I do, however, think that a few of your folks should rethink what appears to be their views about firearms and firearms ownership. Should you have anyone in the St. Louis area, I'd be more than happy to invite them as a guest to participate in or view a match, or to learn how to shoot.

In closing, I propose that a knowledge of firearms could be very useful. Had the inhabitants of the Warsaw ghetto had an organized militia, they likely would have been destroyed anyway. BUT, the destruction would have been loud and noisy, and possibly deterring.

I espouse that had Jim Crow laws not been so overwhelmingly designed to rid African-Americans of the right to own firearms, that the kluckers (hey, why should I dignify 'em by calling 'em anything else?) would have been a fairly short lived organization - if, the first time they burned a cross or tied to lynch someone, they became the target of righteous self defense, they would have run like the cowards they are. Those white sheets would have made excellent targets in the firelight, if their victims had only had the ability to fight back.

You can label haters in many ways, but they've generally got one thing in common. They're cowards. They will not attack a population which can resist.

Never again.
 
I clicked on a few of the odder looking names in the "anti-government" Hate groups list.

I do not know why this one is on it, it is so obviously a parody. In fact it is quite hilarious, the Beaver County Militia. http://members.tripod.com/sonoguy/

On most pages they have a "disclaimer" link at the bottom, and it actually tells the reader it is a joke and to get real.

I was in stitches, I did not see any hate or anti- stuff there.

Madkiwi
 
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