Vote Libertarian!!

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3 supreme court justices, we can't afford to screw around on this election!

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As a member of the Libertarian Party and a delegate to the state convention for 2 of the last 3 years, here are my reflections and personal opinions.

I've not only read Browne's books but met with him and talked to him personally on several occasions. He IS everything he represents himself as being and is not a hollow candidate or Perot'ish kook. I trust him to fullfill, or at least try to fullfill, his promises if and when he is ever elected to office.

Herein lies the catch.... "If and when". The Libertarian Party (LP) is the nation's 3rd largest political party, far outnumbering the Reform party in membership and elected officials. Why then have most people never heard of us? Money. We don't have the luxury of a billionaire holding the reigns and refuse to accept federal matching funds (subsidies) so are forced to campaign nationally on a shoestring budget. The LP will NEVER elect a presidential candidate as long as this is the case. We WILL however continue to elect state and local officials, and I feel this is the key to oneday getting into the whitehouse.

I won't bore people by going into campaign strategies but suffice it to say that I -PERSONALLY- vote for any true Libertarian I can find on the ticket, regardless of party affiliation, in state and local elections. Federal offices are just too costly to run campaigns in right now, without the financial backing and media attention needed, and I unhappily cast my vote for the lesser of the evils most likely to win in those elections. I have voted in every presidential election since 1988 (guess my age) and have ALWAYS voted for LP candidates, until this year.

I still haven't made up my mind who I will vote for but I do know what I want in the outcome - I want Clinton/Gore OUT..... My first choice is of course Harry Browne, a VERY close second would be Alan Keyes, but it looks like my next best hope is G.W. I'd rather have a friendly dog in my house than a mean one, both will ruin the carpets but you have a greater chance of avoiding getting bitten by the first kind.

If Gore get's elected and re-elected, and Hillary wins in NY, I -GUARANTEE- we will see the Clinton's back in the whitehouse in 2008.

SO.... I am supporting, both financially and with my vote, Libertarian candidates in all state and local elections, as well as Carla Howell in her race against Ted Kennedy (she is the only viable opposition so no harm can be done). For president I will (groan) vote for Bush IF IT LOOKS LIKE HE WILL WIN. If Bush falters, like his father, right before the election and the polls all point to a Gore presidency I will vote for Browne. I'll be able to vote my conscience without "throwing my vote away" in this scenario, as a vote for a loser is still a vote for a loser. If Bush is the projected winner then I am only reinforcing his win, not prolonging his loss.

But then again, in reality every vote for Bush is a vote for Gore, IF you would truly rather had voted "in a perfect world" for Browne (or Alan Keyes, Pat Paulsen, or Pat Buchanan).

That's the problem with today's political process, no matter how you vote you are voting for the lesser of two evils. Moderation in the face of evil is NOT a virtue, if more people believed it and backed it up with their votes we possibly could live in a perfect world.

[This message has been edited by Normalizer (edited August 06, 2000).]
 
Normalizer,
Can you tell me what Mr. Browne's profession is? I've asked several times and no one has responded, perhaps you can help.
I also think you are not considering the fact that sometimes a vote is the lesser of three evils which could explain the Libertarians lack of success over the last twenty years or so. ....tks, fubsy.
 
First, let's get something straight, there seems to always be references of beating a dead horse... What do you think Clinton does every night?? :-)

H Browne I think owned his own business.

How is it that the LP's are the 3rd largest party in the nation, yet the Green and Reform party gets more votes at the presidential elections???

As for harry browne, I don't know if any of you have read his books, but I just about fell out of my chair when I read his 30 day plan to balance the budget.

As for wasting a vote, I think the only time a vote is wasted is when it's casted for Al Gore.

like www.Userfriendly.org says today, most of the democrats seem to use the book 1984 as a guide for how to run the government.

I usually vote for the best man, and that man isn't Al Gore or Bush.

Albert
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fubsy:
Normalizer,
Can you tell me what Mr. Browne's profession is? I've asked several times and no one has responded, perhaps you can help.
I also think you are not considering the fact that sometimes a vote is the lesser of three evils which could explain the Libertarians lack of success over the last twenty years or so. ....tks, fubsy.[/quote]

He's a financial advisor, and he's written many books.
 
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This is the way it was done until it was changed by 12th Amendment.

My thoughts on this thread:
Although my political beliefs are sort of a mixture of Libertarian, Constitutionalist and Republican (in that order), I can't seem to bring myself to vote for anyone other than a Republican. Why? Because I voted for Perot - 'nuff said.

Perhaps we need to give our money and local votes to the Libertarians or Constitutionalists, and our Presidential votes to the Republicans.

But, right now, with the UN looming over us like a hungry vulture, it's much too dangerous to vote third party and split the Republican vote - unless a single third party can get a majority of votes. What if the Libertarians, Constitutionalists, and Reformers merged?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mikul:

Second... the vice-president should not be a person chosen by the presidential candidate, he should be whomever came in second in the election.
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[This message has been edited by seronac (edited August 07, 2000).]
 
seronac - If you are hoping george is going to save you from one world order and UN you are wrong, he supports those things.

Yes, there are supreme court justices up for grabs, thats why I'm not real big on a repub prez pickin' em. I don't belive in pro-life. I don't think people should be subjected to search and seizure! Just when did you think the current uncontituional practice of busting down peoples doors came from anyway! It was the war on drugs! I don't believe creationism should be taught in school! I don't believe in mandatory drug sentencing! I think the environment IS important! I'm no fan of Gore but Bush doesn't seem that different to me. I don't think it matters because 1. I think bush will be elected and 2. It will be the other groups electing him that he will be more beholden to.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by twoblink:


Go Harry! I don't think he'll win, but just the same, I have to do my part.

Albert[/B][/quote]

You already are smart enough to realize Harry won't win, so please don't give a vote to a man who does have a chance to win - Al Gore.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fubsy:
Normalizer,
Can you tell me what Mr. Browne's profession is? I've asked several times and no one has responded, perhaps you can help.
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According to the bio at his website:

Harry Browne was a successful investment advisor for 30 years. He has written 11 books that have sold more than 2 million copies. In 1996 he was the nominee of the Libertarian Party for President of the United States.

His books: How You Can Profit from the Coming Devaluation (1970), How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World (1973), You Can Profit from a Monetary Crisis (1974), Harry Browne's Complete Guide to Swiss Banks (1976), New Profits from the Monetary Crisis (1978), Inflation-Proofing Your Investments (with Terry Coxon, 1981), Why the Best-Laid Investment Plans Usually Go Wrong (1987), The Economic Time Bomb (1989), Why Government Doesn't Work (1995), Fail-Safe Investing (1999), The Great Libertarian Offer (2000).
 
0 <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by twoblink:

How is it that the LP's are the 3rd largest party in the nation, yet the Green and Reform party gets more votes at the presidential elections???
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It's California mostly. By the time voting opens up in the western states the election has preety much allready been decided, so many people decide to cast their vote for an alternative as a statement.

I worked for a local cable access station in '92 going to voting precincts to get the final vote tallys, shortly after voting was started in CA our number crunchers were able to predict a Clinton win was unavoidable. If you knew, in a case like this, that your vote really didn't make that much of a difference you might throw it to someone else.

Nader beat Browne in '96 for these very reasons, if you broke down the voting by state then it was a fairly even wash for Browne nationwide, around 90% of votes for Nader came from CA at the end of the night. Might be a good tactic for a smaller party to concentrate on a state like this, much more effective financially than going nationwide.
 
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