Virginia AG shutting off reciprocity

For the past half-dozen years, we have been looking at the continued rise of the imperial
executive [at multiple levels] as means to circumvent the legislative process.... and the
legislative process ceding more and more power to that executive across the board.

This is just another one of them.
 
Alabama never had reciprocity with Va. But we would have got the boot too. A permit here means passing the usual background check and the local Sheriff not having any good a sufficient reason to deny a permit. That's it, no classes or tests.

On the other hand the vehicle carry is extremely restrictive. ANY pistol in a vehicle is considered CONCEALED and you better have a permit.....:confused:

Exception is if you just bought it and are transporting it home, and then you better have a receipt.....

Go figure....
 
I wonder if this isn't grounds for a class action law-suit towards the state of VA by all VA CCW permit carriers? I was clearly told at my county "clerk of courts" when I filled out the paperwork and wrote her a check for $50 that my permit would be reciprocated in the listed states, I asked, she read them to me. Now due to the actions of my state, others have dropped the reciprocation agreement.

I would think there is a hungry lawyer somewhere in the state of VA that might want a fat paycheck.
 
Anything he can do withOUT the legislature can be done/undone WITH the legislature + governor. Although I guess that makes them SOL with McAuliffe.

I certainly won't be traveling there. Sad.
 
I live in Kansas and I visit my daughter in VA. Kansas requires a 8 hour classroom CCW course, pass a written test, range qualification with an FBI Q target, fingerprints and background check by the Sheriff. Although I only CC, if from this thread OC is legal in VA without a permit maybe everyone should start open carrying. I'm sure that would get the population excited.
 
Interesting and unexpected that Texas is one of the "lucky" five that passed muster. I wonder how that could be?
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TX requirements for licensing are pretty stringent. I guess that's a good thing from this perspective, but it doesn't feel so lucky when I total up the time, effort and money I've spent over the years maintaining a handgun license in TX.
 
Virginia concealed carry laws are stringent. For example, a VA resident loses his/her concealed carry permit for a drunk driving conviction. Virginia reports adjudicated mental cases to NICS. Some states do neither.

The VA attorney general is applying VA standards to other states. Makes no sense that VA would deny residents with an adjudicated mental condition a concealed carry permit but would allow residents of other states with adjudicated mental conditions to carry concealed in VA.

VIRGINIA REPUBLICANS have been instrumental in enacting legislation that would deny concealed-handgun permits to in-state applicants whose records include drunken driving, assault, drug offenses, stalking, restraining orders, serious mental-health problems, illegal immigration or felonies committed as a juvenile, among other disqualifiers. Those are common-sense rules, and plenty of Virginians support them.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...8b365e-a9af-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html

http://dailysignal.com/2015/12/23/virginia-severs-concealed-carry-agreements-with-25-states/
 
Virginia concealed carry laws are stringent. For example, a VA resident loses his/her concealed carry permit for a drunk driving conviction. Virginia reports adjudicated mental cases to NICS. Some states do neither.

The VA attorney general is applying VA standards to other states. Makes no sense that VA would deny residents with an adjudicated mental condition a concealed carry permit but would allow residents of other states with adjudicated mental conditions to carry concealed in VA.
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I hope you're kidding. I live in Virginia and stringent is not a word I would use. It took me all of 10 minutes to take and pass an on-line course to get mine. I then spent an additional 10 minutes at the court clerk's office to fill out a form and give them $50. There is nothing asked about your ability with a gun or even if you have ever even seen one. When you quote someone that mentions "common sense", you can be assured it is anything but. A lot of the things are listed so your elected officials can cherry pick and selectively disarm those that they choose.
 
I have been thinking about what our Bloomberg sponsored politicians in Richmond are doing to gun owners in Virginia and decided to send a letter to the editor. I sent it to 5 major papers in the state that covers the entire state. It might show up in one or two. It is as follows:

"I don’t think the decision to revoke reciprocity agreements with 25 states was wise or well thought out by Attorney General Herring and Governor McAuliffe.

Many of us in Virginia have been working very hard promoting tourism to offset job losses due to the decline of the coal industry and the closing of factories. Increased government regulation and NAFTA have had played a part in the job losses. If the people posting on social media and numerous forums are to be believed, there will be a substantial drop in tourism and spending in Virginia because of the anti-gun action taken by the leadership of the state.
Most if not all of the states impacted will no longer honor the concealed carry permits of Virginia residents since Virginia will not recognize theirs. That will make any car from Virginia traveling in those states a mobile gun free zone if the occupants are law abiding citizens. We will be easy targets for robbery, carjacking and other crimes. Most of the other states have no or very restrictive non-resident permits so Virginia residents have few options when we go out of state. Residents of other states can come to Virginia and still protect themselves by open carrying or leaving their weapon in open view.

I live within two hours or less of four neighboring states and three of them are impacted by the decision. My friends and I frequently travel to remote parts of those states. We feel the need for protection because there is very little law enforcement presence and there are a lot of desperate people who can’t find work and need money to support their families.

I don’t think Attorney General Herring and Governor McAuliffe had the safety of the citizens I mind with this decision but was payback for the millions of dollars Michael Bloomberg spent getting Herring elected and his failed attempt to deliver the Virginia Senate to the Democrats."
 
Seems as though Senator Bill Carrico(40th district) is planning to introduce a budget amendment to remove money for the Gov.'s security detail. He says that since McAwful hates guns so much, he wants to make sure he isn't surrounded by them. Seems fair to me. Since the Repubs control both houses, it may be very interesting to watch.
 
Seems as though Senator Bill Carrico(40th district) is planning to introduce a budget amendment to remove money for the Gov.'s security detail. He says that since McAwful hates guns so much, he wants to make sure he isn't surrounded by them. Seems fair to me. Since the Repubs control both houses, it may be very interesting to watch.
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But the Repubs only have a 1 member lead in the Senate. Bloomberg spent over 2.2 million in the last election in a failed attempt to flip it to the Democrats. McAuliffe would veto the law and there is not enough votes in the Senate to override the veto.

Senator Carrico is my Senator in Southwestern Virginia. The western 200 miles or so is very conservative and the most western places that supports a Democrat in Federal elections are Blacksburg and Radford where Radford University and Virginia Tech are located.
 
The beauty is that the amendment is part of the state budget. No line item veto powers, so the gov will have to veto the state budget and explain why he did so. It will also demonstrate just how far the Repubs are willing to go to stand up for gun owners. It will prove interesting and enlightening.
 
The beauty is that the amendment is part of the state budget. No line item veto powers, so the gov will have to veto the state budget and explain why he did so. It will also demonstrate just how far the Repubs are willing to go to stand up for gun owners. It will prove interesting and enlightening.
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I hope you are correct. I think the Repubs will stand strong since this was before our AG issued the decision to deny out of state concealed carries the right to carry in VA. AG Herring's decision has caused an uproar.
 
The most effective protest of this ill-considered action by the AG (no doubt intending to limit the number of persons carrying in the state) is for everyone, whether they have a concealed carry permit or not, to open carry. The shock of the anti-gunners may be enough for the AG to suddenly wet his pants and reverse his action.

Still, I love Carrico's comment that if the Governor feels nervous around people with guns, maybe he really doesn't need armed guards. Brilliant. Recently someone has tossed that same comment Hillary's way. As it is, she apparently hates her Secret Service detail, so maybe she should just give it up. It's not as if she is required to have armed guards.
 
The most effective protest of this ill-considered action by the AG (no doubt intending to limit the number of persons carrying in the state) is for everyone, whether they have a concealed carry permit or not, to open carry. The shock of the anti-gunners may be enough for the AG to suddenly wet his pants and reverse his action.
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I doubt it would do a lot of good because the AG and Governor don't associate or get around us common folks. They feel they are special and need body guards to protect them from us.
 
"I doubt it would do a lot of good because the AG and Governor don't associate or get around us common folks. They feel they are special and need body guards to protect them from us."

I have to disagree. Minor protests in several California cities led to such an outcry (and major media attention) that a law was quickly passed to ban them (even though the guns were unloaded). Similar open carry in northern Virginia--where the blues live, would likely have the same effect. There isn't a politician alive who doesn't watch the news or listen to howls of protest.
 
"I doubt it would do a lot of good because the AG and Governor don't associate or get around us common folks. They feel they are special and need body guards to protect them from us."

I have to disagree. Minor protests in several California cities led to such an outcry (and major media attention) that a law was quickly passed to ban them (even though the guns were unloaded). Similar open carry in northern Virginia--where the blues live, would likely have the same effect. There isn't a politician alive who doesn't watch the news or listen to howls of protest.
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I hope you're right. We would only have to do it in a few places in Virginia because the rest of the state is red. Northern Virginia, Richmond, Tidewater (Norfolk, Va Beach, Hampton, etc) and the Charlottesville area would take care of it.
 
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