USPSTF recommends depression screening for all adults....

It's pretty simple to tell when your doctor is screening you for depression. I flat told my doctor when he pulled that stuff to knock it off. I will refuse to be psychoanalyzed with vigor, and will make it absolutely clear what I think of someone pulling that crap on me. I wouldn't trust a mental health "professional" with so much as the responsibility of feeding my goldfish.

Some people say that the mass shooters have mental health issues in common, but I disagree. I am of the opinion that the more likely common issue between them is they were prescribed psychotropic medications.
 
Its more subtle than that.

"How are you sleeping, OK"?
"What's your energy level like"?
"How about your concentration, is that slipping a little as you age more"?

If you aren't STRAC in those responses you're "Clinically Depressed".
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STRAC? I only know that to be Strategic, Tough, Ready Around the CLock?

Anyway, It was when my doctor pulled that exact crap on me, I flat told him "listen doc, I'm here because I fell down icy stairs 2 months ago and injured my hip and you're more concerned with going on a $%@! fishing trip!"

I admit that I was blunt with him, but understand that this was just after I found out that the morons in that office had totally FUBAR'ed my medical records and had me down for diagnoses I had never heard of and medications I don't take.
 
Welcome to the practice of medicine! :rolleyes:

I don't know what STRAC is today, but in the 70s, it was GI slang for your personal appearance exceeding the standard. Spitshined boots, lifer creases in your starched fatigues, high and tight haircut, etc.

In other words, "perfect", or nearly so.

"How about your concentration, is that slipping a little as you age more"?
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gee, doc, not that I've noticed. :D
 
So, how long have you had these feelings of anger and paranoia?
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I don't know, how long is the average cable news program?

Edit to include internet news articles like those from Clash Daily or the Blaze :D
 
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Depression is a real problem and has a lot of wide ranging effects on people, from minor all the way up to debilitating.

However, the implications here that this study is some clandestine attempt by Obama to take our guns is absurd. For reference, here are some of the other things this organization is suggesting:

Final Recommendation Statement: Screening for Depression in Adults 1/26/2016
Final Recommendation Statement: Screening for Breast Cancer 1/12/2016
Final Research Plan: Screening for Adolescent Idiopathic Scoliosis 1/7/2016
Final Research Plan: Vision Screening in Children Ages 6 Months to 5 Years 12/17/2015
Public Comment on Draft Recommendation Statement and Draft Evidence Review: Screening for Syphilis Infection in Nonpregnant Adults and Adolescents 12/15/2015
Public Comment on Draft Research Plan: Interventions for Weight Loss to Prevent Obesity-Related Morbidity and Mortality in Adults 12/10/2015
Public Comment on Draft Recommendation Statement and Draft Evidence Review: Screening for Skin Cancer 12/1/2015
USPSTF Releases Fifth Annual Report to Congress 11/18/2015
Final Research Plan: Screening to Prevent Osteoporotic Fractures 11/5/2015
Final Research Plan: Screening for Cervical Cancer 10/29/2015

Getting a gauge on how many Americans really do suffer some level of depression is a good thing. It's not a secret plan to disarm Americans. Having said that, if someone is judged to be a legitimate threat to himself or others then of course them having a firearm is a bad idea.

Also having said all that, the way we treat even perceived depression these days is absurdly dangerous. Modern science to this day still does not fully understand how things like SSRI's or other forms of antidepressant drugs work. It's literally "take a wide assortment of pills and whichever one makes you feel less depressed while not having adverse side effects is the one for you! Uh, don't ask us how it works though. We don't know".

Not trying to derail the thread, but it's a stretch to even call this topic related to guns or the 2nd amendment.
 
However, the implications here that this study is some clandestine attempt by Obama to take our guns is absurd.
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In my original post, I did not say that this was a secret plan hatched by POTUS to disarm us.

What I said was ... "color me a bit paranoid in our present climate of trying to effectively incorporate mental health issues into the NCIS, but this makes me a little uneasy when I consider where it could lead."

I then went on to say ... "What I see happening is a bill being introduced that requires all physicians to administer this questionnaire based on this recommendation, the results of which will then be a part of an individuals official records. Those records then being made a part of yet another 'list' to be correlated with the NCIS."
I don't see that as much of a stretch at all.

Then I believe I expressed hope that this would never become more than just a recommendation.

I see a side topic that developed regarding a similar current practice of the VA and how that practice can and does directly effect veterans. But I don't see where anyone called this a secret plan to disarm Americans.
I also don't see where anyone has said that an individual who has been judged a legitimate threat to him/herself or others, should have access to firearms.
That said, if our current laws were properly and effectively enforced, I don't believe that any individual judged as such, legally would have access to firearms.
 
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However, the implications here that this study is some clandestine attempt by Obama to take our guns is absurd.
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Perhaps this study is not a direct attempt to further gun control (but it may be), but that doesn't mean Obama isn't using every trick he can dredge up to do just that.

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Getting a gauge on how many Americans really do suffer some level of depression is a good thing. It's not a secret plan to disarm Americans. Having said that, if someone is judged to be a legitimate threat to himself or others then of course them having a firearm is a bad idea.
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As always, the devil is in the details. As a senior citizen who receives Social Security and a Vietnam veteran who uses the VA health "care" system, I am twice in the crosshairs. It is a documented fact that both the VA and the Social Security Administration now report benefit recipients who have appointed fiduciaries to NICS, thereby making those people into prohibited persons. This is not done with any sort of hearing or "adjudication," as prescribed by law. It is being done by administrative fiat.

As a recipient of VA health "care," I know that they are actively seeking to classify people as having PTSD. You may argue that this is legitimate, in view of the increasing numbers of soldiers and veterans who have served in the middle east and who return home only to commit murder and/or suicide. Is there a problem? Yes, there is. But IMHO using a moronically basic questionnaire such as discussed early in this thread to "diagnose" someone as being "depressed" or as having PTSD (which is likely what many VA providers will do if the test indicates depression) is not the answer.

If you follow veterans news from reliable sources, such as the VFW, you'll find that the VA is actively seeking to classify veterans as suffering from PTSD. Sure, they want to identify those who need help. But ... they don't have the staffing, facilities, or funding to help all those who need help. So their answer is to classify MORE veterans who [allegedly] need help, so they can justify getting more money from the .gov. The fact that many of these veterans who are "identified" as having PTSD either don't have it, or have it to a mild degree and will never be a threat to anyone doesn't matter. The diagnosis is one-size-fits-all. Get tagged with PTSD and you get reported to NICS. PRESTO! You are now a prohibited person -- FOR LIFE -- unless you can afford an attorney and a battery of private shrinks to reverse the diagnosis and the NICS report.

If you think this is not something intentional on the part of the Obama adminsitration, let me introduce you to my pretty pink unicorn.
 
If they start by checking those (in the U.S.) that have consumed a prescribed medication for depression in the last say-40 years-that should keep the checkers busy for about the next 25 years. And, those of us that neither have depression, nor have been prescribed medication of any kind might be 'free' to move around and continue to enjoy life in our usual, boring way.
 
I've read that a not-insubstantial segment of the mental health industry feels that anyone with the desire to own a gun is unbalanced. A Catch 22 kind of thing.
 
Several pre-internet decades ago I read a short sci-fi story, nearly all of which I have forgotten, except for a couple of the plot devices.

A future world, where any interest in weapons was considered a mental illness, and the main character was waiting to be sent to a "treatment camp" because he had been found in possession of "illegal pornography", some old gun magazines that had belonged to his (grand?) father, which he had kept.

Today, the idea seems to be less of an impossible fantasy than it did then.....

To the people (and gun) control people, everyone fits into one of two categories. Those who have been diagnosed as "depressed" (and not safe to possess weapons), and those who have not been diagnosed, YET.

PTSD isn't just something that happens to combat veterans. Depending on who is doing the evaluation, EVERYONE is a potential PTSD case. All they need do is "adjust" what constitutes "traumatic stress". Anyone who has ever lost a loved one, including the natural passing of a grandparent or parent can be fitted into that group with a simple change of the parameters by a "doctor".

For some, not being chosen Prom Queen might be "traumatic stress". It all depends on who is making the rules, and what their ultimate agenda really is.
 
To the people (and gun) control people, everyone fits into one of two categories. Those who have been diagnosed as "depressed" (and not safe to possess weapons), and those who have not been diagnosed, YET.
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Agreed, but its now being expanded to include "Clinical Depression" along with PTSD, & so the net is widened in tiny increments as we go along. The flaw is they're turning the heat under the pan up a bit too fast & the frog is beginning to notice!:rolleyes:
 
Shades of THX1113,,,

Now I want all the people who laughed at me for reading science fiction to apologize.

This is the government control by drugs we were warned about in the 60's.

I feel so vindicated. :p

Aarond

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Does this mean that the 2017 "revised" 4473 will include an extra page for gun owners to undergo this evaluation too?

I have to wonder how much of our tax dollars went into this "study" to come up with these stupid questions!

The bottom line: I will never seek evaluation, treatment or even conversation with a psychiatrist, psychologist, social worker, psych teacher, or even a psych-student ever. Long gone are the days when this kind of information was confidential and could not be used against you to prevent you from exercising your God given freedoms.
 
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