US lawmen outgunned in firefights along Mexican border

Which of course has nothing to do with the discussion at hand, which is being "outgunned". If a single target is the threat and you are shooting and missing him by six feet, the weapon he has vs. the weapon you have is not an issue.
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Come on. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Those other places do not receive tax money just because of where they are.
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Sure they do. And if there's nothing particularly special about the US/Mexican border, tell me another place you might find illegal aliens, criminal illegal aliens, and large amount of contraband entering the country. Here's a hint: it's not Kansas.
I disagree. If there was a gunfight and not the bs that the Sheriff is spewing you can bet the Sheriff would have taken the press out for photographs or photos would be released to the press.
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Nonsense again. Do you remember the two Nogales, AZ BP agents that were, get this, actually shot just over a year ago? Have you ever seen pictures?
 
Des, the other places you will find illegal aliens, criminal aliens and large amounts of contraband is not Kansas, but include O'Hare Airport, or Detroit, or Indianapolis, inter alia. No one there is whining for more tax money like they are down South.

It has always been dangerous down Old Mexico way, nothing new in all this clap trap about how "dangerous" it is. Heck, we in the gun culture know this via Harlon Carter, Bill Jordan and a bunch of other gun nut celebs. The border is a hot issue now as this is where the latest shakedown artists are concentrated thanks to shifting demographics. Politics of the hog trough, nothing new.

Des, no, I have seen no photographs of the agents that you claim were murdered. I will see if I had find them. I would expect to see photos of them, but since it involves The Border and so much of what comes from there is bearthread, we may not see any photos of them.
 
Nonsense! There were no Border Patrol Agents shot. That is nothing but “bearthread”. It’s just a shakedown of the federal taxpayer. Where are the pictures to substantiate this? I haven’t seen any so therefore it is all made up. :rolleyes:
 
ahenry, as we know, The Border is dangerous. Harlon, Skeeter and Bill all told us. The article did not say who did these alleged injuries--drug runners, terrorists, some nut job, another BP Agent, inter alia.

However, while it is always a tragedy, LEOs get hurt everywhere, nothing special about The Border. I object to turning every molehill of an incident into another reason to whip the taxpayers into a lather and steal our money.
 
It is an election year, clearly as in Crystal

Check this one out.
Arnie is at it, in full swing.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger greeted Mexican President Vicente Fox at Sacramento International Airport in May. On Tuesday, a day after denouncing his 1994 vote for Proposition 187, the governor announced he's delaying his August trade his mission to Mexico until November.
Sacramento Bee/Carl Costas


In his clearest statement to date, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger renounced his one-time support for the anti-illegal immigrant Proposition 187 by calling his 1994 vote "wrong," according to an interview published Tuesday by the Spanish-language newspaper La Opinion.
In the same interview, the Republican governor downplayed his past praise of the Minutemen, the brigade of private citizens that has tried to stop illegal immigrants from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.

Schwarzenegger said during his successful 2003 recall campaign that he had voted in 1994 for Proposition 187, which was intended to prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining public services, including education and health care. The initiative passed overwhelmingly but was overturned by courts.


But in his Monday interview with La Opinion, Schwarzenegger said, "I think, looking back, it was the wrong decision."
The governor also reiterated that he had proposed $23 million for counties to spend on health care for undocumented children, a move that contradicted the spirit of Proposition 187. But Schwarzenegger and legislative Democrats removed the funding in late June as part of a budget compromise with Republicans.

Schwarzenegger last year told the Los Angeles conservative talk radio duo John and Ken that he thought the Minutemen had done "a terrific job." But on Monday, he renounced that belief as well.

"That was probably a mistake, some of the things that I said, that they're doing a great job and all of those things," Schwarzenegger said to La Opinion.

Though the Republican governor has the backing of 85 percent of his own party's voters according to a Field Poll released this week, his leftward shift on immigration prompted criticism Tuesday from conservative Republicans at a town hall meeting outside San Diego, according to the Associated Press.

"I voted for you. And right now I don't see much difference between you and Phil Angelides," said Sally Plata, a 66-year-old retiree from El Cajon and a Minutemen civilian patrol member, the AP reported.

Angelides, the Democratic gubernatorial candidate, accused Schwarzenegger of simply playing politics.

"For nearly 12 years, Arnold Schwarzenegger stood squarely behind Proposition 187 on this divisive measure that pitted Californian against Californian," Angelides said in a statement. "Now, the same governor who praises the Minutemen is attempting yet another election year conversion."

San Jose State political science professor Larry Gerston said Schwarzenegger is figuring out how to position himself enough in the middle without upsetting too many conservative Republicans.

"Where are the conservatives going to go?" Gerston asked. "Are they going to go to Phil Angelides? I think not. They're either going to Arnold Schwarzenegger or they're going to sit it out. You weigh that against accommodating votes not only in the center but also in the Latino bloc. You don't have to have a Ph.D. in math to figure out where the largest numbers lie."

The Governor's Office announced Tuesday that Schwarzenegger will postpone his August trade mission to Mexico until after the Nov. 7 gubernatorial election. The governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said Schwarzenegger believes the trade mission would have "interfered" with the lingering uncertainties surrounding the presidential election outcome.

The Republican governor now has invited Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez and Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the state's two most powerful Democrats and Latinos, to join him on the trade mission in November, according to Thompson.


About the writer:
The Bee's Kevin Yamamura can be reached at (916) 326-5548 or kyamamura@sacbee.com.



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The border is a dangerous area. I would not be there unarmed whether participating with the Minutemen or going camping.
 
However, while it is always a tragedy, LEOs get hurt everywhere, nothing special about The Border. I object to turning every molehill of an incident into another reason to whip the taxpayers into a lather and steal our money
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Wow, that's incredible. You don't find anything special about an area where people can slip over a line (or even stay on their side) shoot a LEO, and retreat south from that line, knowing that the LEO's backup cannot follow? That's exactly what happened in Nogales last year.
The article did not say who did these alleged injuries--drug runners, terrorists, some nut job, another BP Agent, inter alia.
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There is nothing alleged about the injuries sustained by these two Agents. They were shot by southsiders who were protecting a drug load.
 
..the true light of Arnold unfortunately shines through..fact is..there are few true, honest people with their conservative views.....sign of the times...history will paint Arnold as one who ran when pressure was borne on him..another coward who decides what is poltically expediant at the moment..not for what is right..don't bother amending the Constitution for him to run for Pres...he'll never get my vote unless the challenger is far worse..
 
Des, you know this because the purported perp(s) has/have been captured?
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Isn't that part of the point? That this area is special because folks can flee back south and not be pursued? It's unlikely that these guys will ever leave their Latin American haven again.

What are you looking for? What sort of proof do you require? Do you want a sit-down, maybe over tea, with all the parties involved? Would you believe even that?
 
Des, my point is that if the perps have not been captured then it could have been anyone who shot the agents, including fellow BP agents.

What kind of proof? Well, I'll settle for probable cause instead speculation, you don't even have to get to BRD.:p
 
Des, my point is that if the perps have not been captured then it could have been anyone who shot the agents, including fellow BP agents.
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That's a clearly ignorant statement. So much so that you'd might as well argue that space aliens are the real culprits.
 
why would they shoot at the border patrol...

when they are already on their payroll? these are highly trained operaters firing hundreds of rounds...and the agents are still alive? that's balogna...it is obviously staged, the BP gets better funding ,the cartel will provide a few token arrests, and everyone is happy. Don't be so quick to blame our neighbors for our nation's drug problem...and maybe you should investigate why you can get fruit so cheaply. Rudy Guliani knows why ...:D
 
Des, so, who did the shooting?
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You want names and addresses? The two shooters were last seen going south, across the line, and into the interior of Mexico.

Before you say, "those could have been Mexican fisherman, who were just lost and scared by the idiot BP agents shooting each other" let me tell you that nobody would have legitimate business in the area in question. Yes, I have been there.
 
Out gunned

Call up the brave souls that assaulted that compound in Waco Tx some yrs past.
Now they knew how to call in back up,gas of different types ,tanks,machine guns,air support,ssnipers.
It was multi agengy ,why not do the same thing down there,man what a show that would be,and drum up a lot of support for new budgets and every thing.
It should be mandantory,to call them to duty.:cool:
 
Right, you don't engage in self defense if the other side has superior power. Got it. What a load of horse hockey.
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To be fair if the BGs had rifles and the BP agents had pistols, at say 200M, it would be hard to engage them. I think I would opt for a "tactical rearward advance" at that point. Fast. They probably do need better weapons and training if that sort of thing is a regular occurance.
 
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