US Army: Modular Handgun System

seeing as most people that are issued the M9 are gate sentries... I think they'd rather be packing the heavy, bulky, M9 around than a 30 round mag with no M16 to stuff it in.

just my opinion though... not like I didn't spend many an hour guarding a pier with an M9 or anything.
 
So today we read that the military has placed an order with Beretta for $200G (I think that's what it was) for new M9s. Is there any sanity at all in our government?

willr
 
Yes they will receive more from the 2012 contract.

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/07/u-s-army-acquires-additional-beretta-m9-9mm-pistols/#axzz38yMwfJJZ


http://www.beretta.com/en-us/us-army-acquires-additional-beretta-m9-9mm-pistols/


This ain't really all that odd.

First the military as a whole has been satisfied with the performance of the M9 and M11. That is why in 2012 they made orders and signed long term contracts for 100,000 more of the M9. It's why they made other orders for the same guns years before the 2012 order.

At the same time some in the military are looking towards replacing those two guns. So the multi year study and maneuvering for a new gun has begun it's slow process. This is how it works folks.

There is no proposal for a new gun as of yet. They don't yet know what gun they want. So meanwhile they continue to get more of the gun they have, which the military as a whole continues to have confidence in till something they deem better comes along. They haven't yet decided what that "something better" is. That may take a few more years.

In 1947 or so they decided they wanted to replace the 1911A1. They began looking for a new gun at that time. Took 'em about 30 years.

tipoc
 
Also saw they have placed big orders for G Code holsters for the Army I believe and Serpa holsters for the Air Force.

On the caliber note I have read that certain elements of JSOC have set aside the G22 due to wear issues and are using G17's and G19's.
 
On the caliber note I have read that certain elements of JSOC have set aside the G22 due to wear issues and are using G17's and G19's.
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See, I dunna know man, but why say things like this?

OK, where did you read that "certain elements" of JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command) have "set aside" this gun? What does "set aside" mean? What "elements"? Who's using the G19 and G17?

Either there are facts or not.

Now if we are playing fantasy football and looking at the draft, or speculating on MLB possible trades before the deadline, rumors can maybe mean something. All rumors are equally likely to be true cuz the're all made up. But here...?

Well OK maybe we should just play and guess and have fun.

The whole military will get new handguns!

It'll be like Oprah Winfrey giving away cars..."And you get a Glock! And you get a Glock! Everybody gets a Glock!!!..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CAscBCdaQg

tipoc
 
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The EAA Witness would be the perfect candidate. It has total modularity. Short, standard ,long and comped slides and barrels in 22-45 all on the same frame. Based on the CZ 75 one of the best most ergonomic designs ever.
 
No fantasy football in this. Search around and tyou will find they were using the G22. On the wear issues it was stated they are experiencing the same frame issues as the FBI who is looking to go back to the 9mm. Also it was no secret that the Asymmetric Warfare Group was using G19's. So it is no secret Glocks are in the military system.
 
[QUOTEWhat part of a Glock has ever had wear issues? I could understand reliability issues, but wear?

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wear was probably the wrong word. But more like frame issues.
 
No fantasy football in this. Search around and tyou will find they were using the G22. On the wear issues it was stated they are experiencing the same frame issues as the FBI who is looking to go back to the 9mm. Also it was no secret that the Asymmetric Warfare Group was using G19's. So it is no secret Glocks are in the military system.
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You seem to have missed the point of my comments.

You passed on your information as if it were a rumor. The information was vague. You intentionally did not list a source for your information so that others could follow you, verify and learn.

Folks are aware that some units have used Glocks. There has been no secret about that. You said something different from that and quite vague.

tipoc
 
Read postings by Larry Vickers in regards to the G22 use by JSOC. You will also read how he advised against it.
 
I spend quite awhile looking. Gen 4 Glocks and .40 Gen 3 have been problematic, but your assertion of "wear issues" is something I've never heard or been able to find.

Link, please.
 
In an article that was linked to earlier we can find this...

The Army’s Delta Force adopted .40 caliber, but the elite unit is having the same problems as the FBI – the heavier caliber is causing excessive wear problems in guns that were originally designed to be 9mm. Delta is now using 9mm Glock 17s, 19s and 34s.

Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2014/07/sof-prefers-9mm-45-caliber.html#ixzz39wIlq7j4
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While this is true it is also old news and presented in the 2014 article as if it were new and current information.

In 1990 at the time the 40 S&W round was introduced both S&W and Glock rushed to build a gun for the caliber to meet the FBI requests. For Glock this meant taking a 9mm gun and converting it to 40 S&W. Other manufacturers did the same. Problems followed for several years till corrected. But they have been fine now for at least a decade.

The article from Military.com also gives the impression that Delta as a whole switched to the Glock 22 at some point. I can't find any source that says that was the case. Much less that the guns were dumped due to excessive and premature wear.

It would be an interesting story to learn about Delta and the Glock 22. But I haven't read much about that but brief references. Like the one above which tells you not much useful.

tipoc
 
I think the military should adopt something along the lines of the VZ 62 Skorpion machine pistol used by the Czech military.

Something handgun size and weight but with better firepower. Id imagine something like a select-fire FN Five SeveN pistol with some sort of vertical grip attachment and maybe some rails would work very, very well.

Seeing how body armor is a growing everthreat to the .mil, something like this would make sense.
 
All of that is true about .40 pistols, but it doesn't answer the question about what part of a Glock is getting excessive "wear".

The only part of a Glock that seems to break down with a huge amount of shooting is the breechface. The seem to gall if fired enough.

Is that what was happening? The quoted article doesn't say it was a Glock wear problem specifically.


Not defending Glock, just this is a new one to pin on them.
 
The content from the article links is based primarily on opinion and supposition. It's safe to conclude the 9mm is easy to shoot and carries relatively low pressures lending itself to long service life in the platforms that use it. It is safe to conclude of the 9mm was an excellent choice, note I said excellent, not good, then there would be no need for other calibers. Look around you, agencies in America that depend on the handgun as a primary weapon carry calibers besides the 9mm. In a military context, a pistol plays second fiddle anyway.
 
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