US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo; in Iraq, Afghanistan
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Unfortunately for Johnny Jihad locked up in Gitmo, he's not a POW and should not be afforded the protections a POW has. We are under a moral obligation to treat them maybe a little better than livestock, but that's about it. If these Jihadists were POWs, that would be a whole different story. Its time to stop putting these Saudi Jihadists/Sunni extremists up on a pedestal and giving them POW status as if they were fighting for a nation state. They are fighting for a fundamentalist Islamic state. Sorry, but that doesn't count. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think many Americans have the patience for a long conflict in the Middle East.
G,
I just read your beliefs, and didn't see any of them that would cause you to talk to me like that. You restated what I did: Torture is not something the US should condone, or US citizens should support.
Wouldn't it have been better to read what I said instead of freaking out and acting like that? Kumbaya.
I just read your beliefs, and didn't see any of them that would cause you to talk to me like that. You restated what I did: Torture is not something the US should condone, or US citizens should support.
Wouldn't it have been better to read what I said instead of freaking out and acting like that? Kumbaya.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
I've no problem with "pressing" Osama wannabes.
I've a great problem, however, with jingoistic attitudes that "If they're in custody, they must be combatants". Twist the War Against [] just a bit and many of us become the next focus of that American disregard.
THINK people.
Rich
I've a great problem, however, with jingoistic attitudes that "If they're in custody, they must be combatants". Twist the War Against [] just a bit and many of us become the next focus of that American disregard.
THINK people.
Rich
Augustus McCrae
Inactive
Gentlemen, I have a modest proposal. I am beginning to see the light of the evilness and wickedness of our Republic. I propose that we release to each one of you, one of those poor tortured souls now in Cuba. I now recognize how great you men are schooled in the art of interrogation. Now of course there must be some safeguards for your neighbors and the public. Perhaps those electronic tracking devices and of course you must be cuffed to them for the duration. Well I can almost see it now. You will have won the hearts and minds of those poor abused souls in no time. I do so believe you will work your magic and have them singing their secrets in no time. Of course you will be reimbursed for any and all expenses accrued during this time. Maybe midnight soccer will help to loosen their lips. Ah, but I will leave that to you professionals. I have faith in you gentlemen and I just know those poor souls will soon be returned to the 7-11 from which they were unjustly removed. Sipping slurpees and playing video games while humming God Bless America.
IZinterrogator
New member
Why, thank you, I didn't think you noticed.
Please do that. Nothing worse than a mall interrogator.
Hmmm, neither do I. The problem lies in the whole idea of "commonly recognized as torture", though. I know what lines I won't cross, but would a reasonable third-party see those lines as too far or not far enough? Nobody seems to be reasonable about this subject anymore, except those charged with extracting said information.
Me neither. Widespread? Nope, try isolated incidents by people who put their own desired end-state ahead of the collective morals of the country or folks with twisted minds who get off on the suffering of others.
Yup.
Gonna have to disagree on this one. Interrogating a dead guy is like, well, interrogating a dead guy.
Ditto, especially since all these incidents have been investigated and in the cases where wrongdoing was found, the guilty were or are being dealt with appropriately.
Yes, some individuals and groups more than others, especially if it vindicates their rhetoric outside of this arena.
It's grossly American to have an opinion that is critical of government actions taken that you personally detest. It is treasonous to lie in order to forward your agenda, thereby providing comfort to our enemies.
gburner
Which of course must be about as un-American and treasonous as it comes.
Just what is commonly recognized as "torture" in your view?
What about those shipped off to countries where torture is "legal" and accepted? How many, for what crimes, determined by whom, have been loaded up like cattle under our "supervision"?
What did the Army's own report have to say? Or was that "overblown, politically motivated and published with a desire to weaken and instill a defeatist attitude in the American public"?
This is patent BS. Contrary to this media-inspired tripe, a great number of dissenters in this and other related major issues around this administration are conservatives. Many of them formerly highly placed and credible people in the Reagan administration - who make George W Bush and all his cronies look like blatant Stalinists.
Which of course must be about as un-American and treasonous as it comes.
All I am saying is that if you are a POW, not a POW whatever the administration calls them, they should be entitled to due process. If the trial finds them guilty then they get punished.
I am not saying that every soldier interrogating the troops is torturing them. Most of them have thier feet on solid ground.
I do believe there are those that believe the end justifies the means...who are not neccessarily under military control who dont mind doing those things that are unlawful
Go read the DOJ memo submitted to the administration. I find disturbing the fact that one of the positions is that Congress has no right to interfere with the administration during time of war.......they say it is unconstitutional for Congress to do so. I find disturbing the fact that if someone is under executive orders and they get zealous and exceed the bounds well they should be exempt from prosecution.
kind of talk should make folks nervous......
I am not saying that every soldier interrogating the troops is torturing them. Most of them have thier feet on solid ground.
I do believe there are those that believe the end justifies the means...who are not neccessarily under military control who dont mind doing those things that are unlawful
Go read the DOJ memo submitted to the administration. I find disturbing the fact that one of the positions is that Congress has no right to interfere with the administration during time of war.......they say it is unconstitutional for Congress to do so. I find disturbing the fact that if someone is under executive orders and they get zealous and exceed the bounds well they should be exempt from prosecution.
kind of talk should make folks nervous......
Let's be clear here - the guys at Gitmo were picked up on/near the battlefield.
The US Military doesn't drive a truck down the road and start picking up anyone unlucky enough to be on the street. They receive fire from a house/building, it's a pretty safe bet anyone there isn't on vacation or in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The military doesn't just send them to Gitmo either, there has to be probable cause to believe they know something. Think about it, appx 500 at Gitmo IIRC; after almost FOUR YEARS !!!!
These guys are BAD GUYS, I don't need an open hearing/trial to tell me that. Remember the military reviews there status confidentially.
Think about this:
Let say you and Abdul have some nerve gas.
You and he knows where it is.
You find out he's been captured.
Pretty safe bet you're going to move that nerve gas ISN'T IT !!!!!
The US Military doesn't drive a truck down the road and start picking up anyone unlucky enough to be on the street. They receive fire from a house/building, it's a pretty safe bet anyone there isn't on vacation or in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The military doesn't just send them to Gitmo either, there has to be probable cause to believe they know something. Think about it, appx 500 at Gitmo IIRC; after almost FOUR YEARS !!!!
These guys are BAD GUYS, I don't need an open hearing/trial to tell me that. Remember the military reviews there status confidentially.
Think about this:
Let say you and Abdul have some nerve gas.
You and he knows where it is.
You find out he's been captured.
Pretty safe bet you're going to move that nerve gas ISN'T IT !!!!!
Marko Kloos
Inactive
The U.S. military is offering per-head bounties to the Afghans for every Taliban or AQ they turn over.
There are reported incidents of local Afghanis getting rid of troublesome tribal rivals, or just padding their wallets by capturing strangers and selling them to the American forces as suspected Al-Qaeda or Taliban.
One of the side effects for offering cash for warm bodies, I suppose.
There are reported incidents of local Afghanis getting rid of troublesome tribal rivals, or just padding their wallets by capturing strangers and selling them to the American forces as suspected Al-Qaeda or Taliban.
One of the side effects for offering cash for warm bodies, I suppose.
CarbineCaleb
New member
Marko - I recall that there were some issues with Americans bombing "Taliban hideouts" or "terrorists" in Afghanistan, that turned out to be just the enemies or rivals of Afghan tipsters, eager to use American force to eliminate their opponents.
On the accuracy of these arrests, I recall hearing a senior Administration official saying that these were very carefully vetted, and that 90% of those taken were released on interview in Afghanistan/Iraq.... now, with that kind of admitted error rate, how can anyone believe that all those that were put in prison are actually guilty of anything???
On the accuracy of these arrests, I recall hearing a senior Administration official saying that these were very carefully vetted, and that 90% of those taken were released on interview in Afghanistan/Iraq.... now, with that kind of admitted error rate, how can anyone believe that all those that were put in prison are actually guilty of anything???