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Urban Defense Carbine

Nothing beats and optics ready AR mag fed in 5.56. Just the amount of stuff, everything, for it that abounds here in America and even abroad that make it one of the finalists and my personal choice.
 
I'm in the PS90 camp. Negligible recoil allows you to put an awful lot of holes into a target in record time. Yes, initially it feels "different" from what you're used to, but after the second or third magazine you realize how well someone worked on the ergonomics of shooting a very compact gun.
There's a reason why extra handles for AR sell so well, the ergonomics were straight from WWII.
 
Personal defense system I left out some items ( no room ) and my ar carbine is incomplete but the old comp 3 with larue mounts works just fine :)

And don't hate on the ak47 kit I got like 5 more in a box just need to get up with nodak spud :)
 

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>>I was just thinking of something my wife would not hesitate to pick up if she heard something/someone go bump in the night.

Buy her a Mossberg .410 shotgun; very effective at close distances w/ shot or slugs.
 
Hornet; being you already have an SKS, I think the suggestion for the 357 magnum lever action would be an excellent choice. I picked up one not too long ago. Whether you're shooting 357 or 38 special, your wife won't even notice it. And with you already shooting a 38spl, it only makes sense to have a carbine that shoots the same round. It allows you to take that caliber out further distances. Plus, you get between 10-12 rounds in there. (Depending on the barrel length).

I have just about every caliber in different combinations, but I never really had a good rifle/pistol combo that was cheap and fun to shoot. 44mag/44spl is way too expensive. 45acp is also a bit expensive. 9mm, like the Hi-Point would definitely be my 2nd choice. But the 357 mag is the most versatile. You can go as light as a sub-100 grain bullet in 38spl, or at the 180+ grain 357 magnum. Good against people, varmints, hunting, etc... 357/38 is about the most versatile caliber there is. And if you reload, then it's freakin awesome. You can reload 38spl really cheap. And in a 18-24" barrel, it's like shooting a 22LR. No kick at all. Even with hot 357 magnums.
 
A good 10/22 with hi-cap mags would be do-able, too.. not ideal, but if she'll use it, it's WAY better than screaming for help.
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Don't do that. Not for HD. If you want a plinker, go for it. Caliber aside, you never know about the reliability of rimfire ammo IME. Not enough to trust your life on it anyway. JMHO, YMMV, etc, etc.

Jason
 
If you want a gun that your wife feels comfortable with, stop asking a bunch of gun guys on the internet what she would like and ask her. Take her to the gun store, find a knowledgeable and responsive salesperson and get the F out of the way and shut the F up. Other than making sure she is not picking up a caliber that is inadequate or overkill, let her decide. That's the only way you are going to get a gun that makes her happy.
 
Yup. If it's for HER use, let HER do most of the decision-making. That way, y'all wind up with something she'd actually use--which is the most important part of the deal.
 
The 9 MM you fire within your house from a handgun or carbine is likely to exit endangering your neighbors.

.223 penetrates much less interior drywalls than 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 special, and 45 ACP. Numerous TV shows and websites have demonstrated this (Google search).

The high velocity .223 bullet starts to tumble afterhitting the first object and begins to fragment and keyhole (fly sideways). These fragments quickly lose kinetic energy after a few layers of drywall making rounds exiting a home, less likely. It is the idea home defense cartridge if you can find something suitable it shoot it. Much safer from a stopping power, low overpenetration that else including a shotgun (although a shotgun with birdshot is something to consider).

Every bullet you fire has a lawyer attached to it. If you have to shoot, don't miss!

Interestingly, many Police SWAT have switched to .223 over 9mm MP5 due to the ubiquitous availability of M4 carbines and get less overpenetration and better penetration of bad guys wearing body army.
 
I'd go with the Hi Point Carbine in 9mm.

  1. Easy to shoot.
  2. Very Accurate. I've shot 10 shots sub 1" @ 7 yrds freehand!
  3. Low cost of ammunition. This will allow for more practice.
  4. Low recoil and not very loud. She won't be afraid of it.
  5. Not very expensive. You can generally find them for under $350 new.
  6. Newer models have a 1913 (picatinny) rail that allow for grips, red dots, lights, lasers, etc.
For the price its hard to beat. Otherwise if you want 223 and you're not wanting an AR, I'd go with a Ruger Mini 14.
 
The Marlin Camp Carbine in 9MM with an S&W M-659 or in .45 ACP with an M1911. A modern version of the cowboy practice of having long gun and handgun in the same caliber, with the plus of having interchangeable magazines.
 
Short barrel 12 ga. pump shotgun with pistol grip. I have a SKS and a Hi-Point 9mm carbine and others. Need to consider what's on other side of the walls for the weapon you choose to use. Small enough to manuver easily in house. You have a decent selection of loads. I'd go, with all 00 loads or every 3rd rnd. slug for HD.
New here, thought I'd come over for a visit.
JT
 
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Ruger 77/357? Not a bad little rifle for short-medium range distances. With some Buffalo-Bore rounds you could really pack some punch with that rifle-length barrel.
 
Just get an AK with a folding stock. Those things are compact and you can even store them inside of a tennis racket cover or transport bag. You can't beat an AK folder for small and compact.
 
[QUOTETake her to the gun store, find a knowledgeable and responsive salesperson and get the F out of the way and shut the F up. ][/QUOTE]

That is a problem. Perhaps you have better shops in your area, but in my neck of the woods, I haven't found a gunshop yet that has anyone that meets that criteria. I find either paramilitary wannabes, or condescending dweebs that think that guns for "the little woman" begin and end with the .38 snub or a tiny .380.
In fact, I almost hate to go into most gun shops because I have to wade through 5 minutes of salesperson bs before they finally realize that I do, in fact, know something about firearms.
All modesty aside, :p I have been "into" guns for about 40 or so years, and have heard/read MOST of the arguments one way or the other about "the best" HD weapon, wall penetration, legalities when faced with using lethal force, etc... I am, however, out of the loop when it comes to the pistol-caliber autoloaders, and just wanted to brainstorm with you guys about that issue, and to get opinions about "wife guns"... She's not really into guns (she DID run outside with the pump 12 when a neighbor's pitbull was running loose in his and our yard with several young children playing in our front yard.. he had been warned to not let it run loose because of the children, and it was loose and chasing our cat through the playing kids.. but that's a long story) The problem was, she's not into guns enough to learn how to operate the pump 12. (the neighbor didn't know that, though, and it got HIS attention. The dog never "got loose" again) I also bought her a Colt Gov't .380 that she wouldn't work with enough to be confident in her ability to use if necessary. The only gun that she is ok with is the snub .38, so far. I'm still looking for "the gun" that she will warm up to, and will want to shoot. That gun just might not exist, however.
At any rate, I appreciate all the thoughts and comments... it's been informative, and given me some options to consider. You guys rock! :D
 
hornetguy: Which ranges are you checking? I've had pretty good experiences with the Winchester Gallery and DFW Gun Range. And both places often advertise and/or host shooting classes for ladies.

If your wife isn't much of a shooter, I'd do the KISS principal on the choices. Think of things that will be ultra-reliable, require minimal training, and won't scare her to shoot (something that can affect both sexes). It would be hard to go wrong with a Ruger 10/22 with a 20rd. mag of Velocitors or a lever-action .410 shotgun with slugs or buckshot. I'd even suggest a double-barrel shotgun in .410 (though 20ga. or 12ga. would be better) if she doesn't want to learn a repeater. All of these guns are fun for beginner/inexperienced shooters.

The main thing will be to know if she would shoot a BG if threatened. If she won't, then even a .50BMG won't work for her....
 
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