UPS Rip Off

[rbursek]

Don H,
they may have told me that too, I do not recall.
Bob

 

[Don P]

No it doesn't. (the feds' FAQ is wrong.) Look at the actual statutes.

WRONG the statement below is from the BATFE's web sight. How is the statement below wrong????????????????

Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

 

[zxcvbob]

I know it's from their web site. The information is wrong (and they know it's wrong.) "In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm" is only true if the recipient lives in another state and is not a federally licensed firearms dealer, manufacturer, or (in some cases) collector. And there are even some exceptions beyond that then when notification is not required.

Actually, the requirement for notification is the exception. It is very seldom required by USC 922 etc if the shipment is legal at all. There may be other reasons you want to notify, but that's a different issue.

 

[Don H]

Quote:
No it doesn't. (the feds' FAQ is wrong.) Look at the actual statutes.

WRONG the statement below is from the BATFE's web sight. How is the statement below wrong????????????????


Quote:
Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

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The statement from the FAQ states that it is a requirement that the carrier be notified of ALL firearms being shipped. The actual LAWS contain exceptions that are ignored by the simplification inherent to the FAQ:

18 USC 922(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.

 

[MLeake]

Again with the "disassembled rifle or handgun" bit. As a previous poster already noted, if you ship a handgun frame, or a long-gun receiver, you are legally shipping the handgun or the long-gun.

Disassembled or not, it's still a felony, if you don't follow Federal interstate transfer laws.

Please do not think you can send the complete gun, in parts form, without legal jeopardy.

 

[zxcvbob]

You could disassemble it and ship in 2 boxes, one ground and one air. That *might* cost less... shift some of the weight to a cheaper class. (but I bet it ends up costing about the same, cuz it's the first pound where they really get you and you'd end up paying 2 first pounds even tho' the rates are different)

 

[Frank Ettin]

fiddletown,
a FFL licensed gun shop told me that when I needed to ship a rifle and shotgun to my son in CO from WI....

Wonder if they would have been willing to sell you a disassembled rifle, shotgun or handgun with out doing the 4473 or the background check--it's only parts, after all. Some FFLs are surprisingly ignorant of the laws dealing with their business.

Let me make a further guess and say that the FFL told you it was legal to ship the firearms from you directly to your son across state lines?

Don H,
they may have told me that too, I do not recall.

[1] This illustrates that an FFL very well might not be as familiar with the law as he ought to be.

[2] Disassembling a gun does not make it "not a gun" for shipping purposes, as long as the frame/receiver is included. The frame/receiver is legally the gun.

[3] It's a violation of federal law to send a gun across state lines to someone who is not an FFL (except in a few, very narrow cases, e. g., a bequest under a will). Under federal law, a transfer of a gun from a resident of one State to a resident of another almost always requires the appropriate services of an FFL and completion of a 4473. A transfer includes any transfer of possession.

[4] You will be held responsible for knowing this stuff. The information is available -- on gun boards like this and the ATF website, among other places.

 

[cow0man]

Last month I sent a long rifle to Remington. With insurance, it cost $30 dollars and the person at the local hub knew it was a rifle. Remington charged $18 to send it back.

Many people who go to Alaska ship their firearms to themselves if they are going through Canada or even flying as shipping can be less than checking an additional bag. They will however, put their ammo in a checked bag or buy locally when they arrive.

 

[carguychris]

Last month I sent a long rifle to Remington. With insurance, it cost $30 dollars and the person at the local hub knew it was a rifle. Remington charged $18 to send it back... Many people who go to Alaska ship their firearms to themselves if they are going through Canada or even flying as shipping can be less than checking an additional bag.

Rifles and shotguns don't have to be sent Next Day Air. They can be shipped via UPS or FedEx Ground and they can be legally mailed through the USPS by nonlicensees. (Some local postmasters aren't aware of this and will argue with you, but I digress.) Consequently, it is substantially less expensive for a nonlicensee to ship a rifle or shotgun, especially between the COTUS and AK or HI. FedEx and UPS' air rates to and from these states are outrageous.

Handguns are an entirely different story than long guns. Apples to oranges.

 

[carguychris]

[2] Disassembling a gun does not make it "not a gun" for shipping purposes, as long as the frame/receiver is included. The frame/receiver is legally the gun.

+1. FWIW everything else is considered harmless machine parts and can be shipped without significant restrictions, including via USPS, but this doesn't do you much good without the critical serial-numbered part.

 

[Walklightly]

So.......

Did he (She) get ripped off, or not? I spent about $60+ for shipping about 4 years ago, thank you Taurus.

Just for that reason, I don't buy Taurus/Rossi anymore. $60+ FN dollar's.

 

[laytonj1]

WRONG the statement below is from the BATFE's web sight. How is the statement below wrong????????????????

This letter is from the BATF and confirms you do not have to legally notify the carrier. See last paragraph:

Jim