Update on Patricia Konie and Ashton O'Dwyer

Let's see here...

You would rather beat someone up, possibly injuring them, forcibly removing them from his home.

Of course, you would do this armed, so if the one you were going to save from his "stupidity" were to resist, you would draw your weapon.

Now he could be arrested for "interfering with a police officer", at best, of if he were to resist with like force, you could legally kill him.

To save him from his stupidity.

So it's ok for you to violate my rights with force so you can make sure I am in no danger?

Had I been nearby and seen all that those officers allegedly did, I would have been inclined to send them home... in bags.:mad:

That being said, most of the time IME, the "victim" of police brutality generally is completely at fault when all of the evidence comes to light.

But I still have a problem with armed, threatening individuals who think that a "legal right" to do something makes it moraly right.
 
You know, I'm getting sick and tired of being told or forced to do something because it's "for my own good". The same I would guess goes with those here that have disagreed (but was considered cop bashing by others) when they basically try to tell you:

LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE

It's our lives. If we (she) wanted to stay in her own home, then that is her RIGHT. Anyone, cops, mayors, whomever don't have ANY right to force someone to do something because they, the authority, feels that they are "helping" when in fact, are hurting/abusing.

Now, for everyone out there that believes that I'm cop bashing, so be it. I'm not going to fight with you, believe what you will about me, I really don't give a flying (feel free to use whatever word you wish here).

I hope that lady wins BIG TIME and that the California cops that jumped her end up meeting the street without being able to hide behind a badge.

Harsh, dang right. Why, I'm sick and tired of being forced to do things that I don't wish to do, as this lady was, and then you have others of the same cloth jumping up and down yelling, "But it was for her own good". We're not children here, if we chose to stand our ground like in the case of this lady, the cops should have tipped their hats, bid her good day, and did some real cop work like helping those that wanted help and to arrest the looters.

Geez, we aren't going toward a police state, we're already there, and I think that it's now our turn (the non leo members here) to "bow down" as expressed by some here.

You want to do something that will be for my good, why don't you do your jobs and protect the Rights of the People you serve.

I'm sick and tired of this "I'm an LEO, I'm special, I'm better than you and deserve more Rights than you and you had better never criticize us because we are LEO's. If you do, we'll arrest you for leo bashing" :rolleyes: :barf:

It's a damn job folks, and if it bothers you so much that you are criticized, why don't you find another line of work.

Wayne
 
MildAlaska, quite often you disappoint me. Today is no exception.

I hope she (and her fiesty attorney) become multi-millionnaires over this. I hope they use part of their settlement to fight for others who are abused by government, be it local, or imported from another state.

BTW, there was no standing water on her street. It was dry as a bone.

Rick
 
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I am with you on your entire last post Rickd. Xb really nailed your butt to the floor with this one huh, riledalaska?
If one little old lady had to be removed from her residence for whatever reason, leaving her house and property unprotected, why then were private security guards and other residents including Ashton O' Dwyer, allowed to stay?
Maybe because she looked like an easy target to push around. Were all LEO's acting this way? Most assuredly not, nor would they. I think those officers dealt with a citizens posession of a firearm, the cali. way.:(
 
USP45usp

I couldn't agree more with you I'm sick and tired of the government trying to "help me" I wish they would stay the hell out of my business weather its having to wear a seat belt or trying to save me from evil second hand smoke. Not everyone has to be lead around by their hands!:mad: :mad:
 
I just dont accept willy nilly a sharks view of how tasty his prey is gonna be. Between black and white there is always gray.
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If everyone were as circumspect as you are, changes for the better would always take years, some decades, and some would not be possible at all without fiery personalities to support them.
 
I saw the tape of the incident once and was appalled. So was my 83 year old mother who is legally blind who asked "what the hell is happening to this country?" And she almost never swears.

I'd certainly like to find out more about the "reason" the officers forcibly evicted her from her home. Plus I'd also like to know....

  • How did officers gain entry?
  • What was the "exigent circumstances" that required her to leave?
  • What law was she breaking?
  • How was she a threat to the community?
  • What happened to her home after she was removed? Okay or looted?
  • Were all of her provisions - food & water - still in her home?
  • Has the state of LA, city of NO or the Calif. Highway Patrol picked up her medical bills?
  • Did she clearly refuse to leave or refuse "assistance"? (I don't recall)

I agree with USP45usp and others -- adults can make their own choices, including the choice to face danger. Americans have traditionally faced up to dangers, from the Indians in the great westward expansion to Mississippi floods to impending volcanic eruptions (anyone remember Harry Truman at Mt. St. Helens?). An elderly person may not have much left except the few personal possessions and memories their home brings them. To some it may be better to die there than see it all lost. But that is a PERSONAL choice and not one the government should be making for them.
 
If everyone were as circumspect as you are, changes for the better would always take years, some decades, and some would not be possible at all without fiery personalities to support them.
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Thats the way it should be :)

WildmeethtenewbosssameastheoldbossAlaska
 
Pax, yes. A gentleman who wished to be on his own property, his life was spent there and ended there. Mount St. Helens notwithstanding. He was a true rugged individualist. I will not comment on the political corruption, violations of constitutional protections or the violation of property rights. I know that I have no stake in this. My experience is that of watching from the sidelines. My only pert to add is to question what idiot sends LEOs into a residence with the following items; a feisty senior female citizen who is aware of her rights, at least three pool reporters and a foreign press member, a camera recording the events and a attorney who is known to be aggressive in protecting his clients? Throw in California shock troops and it could be a mockumentary. The sad part is, it did happen in America. The sadder fact is, it can happen again.
 
Press release:

The family of Jefferson Freeman announced a multimillion dollar lawsuit agains the City of ___________ and the _____ police Department for their failure to protect mr. Freeman from the horrific consequences of [insert natural event here]. The lawsuit, filed by the ACLU and the Freeman family attorney, I. B. Ashark, Esq, of the law firm of Dewey, Cheatum and Howe, alleges that even though an evacuation order was in place, the police did not remove Mr. Freeman from his home thereby causing his death...

WildonlyinamericaAlaska
 
Sir William ~

Yes, that's the man.

Some of the posters on this thread would argue that feisty old Mr. Truman would have had a better end if some state-sponsored busybodies had busted his chops, dragged him off to the pokey, and then forced him to spend his final years languishing in a nursing home longing for the place he called home his entire life.

pax
 
Some of the posters on this thread would argue that feisty old Mr. Truman would have had a better end if some state-sponsored busybodies had busted his chops, dragged him off to the pokey, and then forced him to spend his final years languishing in a nursing home longing for the place he called home his entire life.
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Guess the old man isnt around to tell us whether he preferred gummin his wheaties for an additonal 5 years to eating a pyroclastic cloud.

maybe his last words were "S**t, hey fellas wait up"

WildwaitguysiwasonlybeingorneryAlaska
 
I remember seeing on the news many people who stayed despite calls from all forms of government and law enforcement to leave. I thought the people their always had the choice to stay or go.

Assuming the article's facts are accurate, it is a very sad tragedy what happened to the elderly lady. In this case I would side with her over the police. I also realize that civilians weren't the only ones who lost homes, property, and loved ones in the hurricane. Police officers are people to and it is possible these officers had already been through hell and back and weren't fully in control of their emotions. So it's hard to really pick a side without sympathizing with the other.:cool:
 
:eek: :(

This thread both frightens me and makes me sad. I just don't believe we have anything close to freedom in this country any more. The truly scary thing is I don't know of any better alternative out there.

We have no balance of government and personal freedom. I don't know if there ever was a time that the government (local, state, or federal) would leave you alone in your home if you were not bothering anybody. I have seen it on re-run TV shows and old movies that is all. Today it does not appear that way...

I don't know what will happen with the lawsuit and the old lady. I personally wish that the cop had left her alone and gone on to do something else.

I have said and will say again - I will vote for any politician that campaigns on a platform of removing existing laws. Especially any law that refers to "following the instructions of a police officer".
 
A few facts:
1. The reporters were already in Mrs. Konie's apartment interviewing her when the police arrived. The reporters were acting independently of the police.
2. There was no water in Mrs. Konie's street or house.
3. Mrs. Konie had adequate supplies of food and water.
4. Mrs. Konie clearly asked the officers several times to leave her home. Watch the tape.
5. There was no lawful enforcable order to evacuate. Martial law was not declared.

Many people never left NOLA. The Interdictor is a blog that stayed open, blogging from NOLA. Several bars never closed, even during the height of the hurricane. They did this for the honor, dubious as it may be, of never closing in over 100+ or whatever years. Mr. O'Dwyer himself never left NOLA. Thousands never left, and are indeed still there.

I was there. I of course did not see everything, but my perception was the police congregated where there was little to no water, easy travel access, and tried to disarm and forcibly evacuate those who did not need to leave, and who did not want to leave. Meanwhile, in the 9th Ward, where there was 9-12 feet of putrid water everywhere, people were dying in attics, and becoming parched roadkill on roof tops.

Why were people who were safe in their homes evicted because access was easy, while those in severely flooded areas were left to fend for themselves? Many officers, especially among the Louisiana officers,were acting honorably and bravely. I, myself, believe many officers who came in from other states had motivations other than saving lives. I am not going to speculate on those motivations, but if they wanted to save lives, they would commandeer a boat instead of a Cadillac Eldarado. There were plenty of boats. Heck, this was New Orleans! Come on!

I firmly believe that Mrs. Konie did not need to be evicted, and there was no danger to her in her apartment, at least not until the California Highway Patrol arrived in her home with delusions of eviction orders. Until proven otherwise, I choose to believe her over policemen who would confiscate weapons and politicians who would not appoint competent people to levee commissions. I see absolutely no reason to disbelieve Mrs. Konie and Mr. O'Dwyer, and ample reason to distrust the other.
 
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