garand_shooter
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Haliburton...no wait...they're gonna have a problem with them too...
United Arab Emirates to Control our Ports??
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Haliburton...no wait...they're gonna have a problem with them too...
Eghad--Bush has terminal colon blockage when it come to the Arabs because he is to busy sucking up to them
Playing it both ways huh? Let's see he's sucking up to the Arabs, oh except for the fact that he has invaded Afghanisthan and Iraq!
Which is it? How did that theory of invading Iraq for the oil work out?
Rob P-I don't know when you did this stuff but you need to look into electronic seals for cargo. Domestic cargo is more what you are talking about. Overseas is scrutinized much harder----but again seal or no seal it's up to the Port authority and/or Coast Guard to prtoect the port--not this company in ANY respect. The "package" must be stopped overseas--once here it's too late!
Still nobody can say what other company should have gotten the contract or what there (legit) fear is of this company since the aren't responsible for security. It's more we don't like this or that---and BTW no we don't have a viable alternative to give you. Sounds like Democratic policy.
Playing it both ways huh? Let's see he's sucking up to the Arabs, oh except for the fact that he has invaded Afghanisthan and Iraq!
Which is it? How did that theory of invading Iraq for the oil work out? Rob P-I don't know when you did this stuff but you need to look into electronic seals for cargo. Domestic cargo is more what you are talking about. Overseas is scrutinized much harder----but again seal or no seal it's up to the Port authority and/or Coast Guard to prtoect the port--not this company in ANY respect. The "package" must be stopped overseas--once here it's too late!
Still nobody can say what other company should have gotten the contract or what there (legit) fear is of this company since the aren't responsible for security. It's more we don't like this or that---and BTW no we don't have a viable alternative to give you. Sounds like Democratic policy.
Rimrock,
Nice chart - meaningless but nice.
(and yes I stated Clinton was to blame for the debt)
Budget figures mean little or nothing. A country or an individual can budget for any amount. It's what they actually have to spend that counts.
I can budget my lunches for this week @ $100.00, and spend only $20.00.
I haven't *saved* $80.00.
On the contrary, I've spent $20.00.
Clinton still collected the $100.00 and spent the $20.00 - plus he spent an additional $20.00 and put the rest "in the bank" so to speak by (stupidly) paying off the debt.
He ignored rebuilding the military after the Gulf war.
Then to compound matters, he further depleted the already critical levels by involving us in Serbia/Croatia. Again, he never returned a pittance. He left it up to Bush to replenish the depleted stores. Had Clinton spent the money to replenish the military, instead of using it to pay off the debt, then Bush wouldn't have inherited as much of the burden.
I agree Clinton is a political brainchild.
He's an economic buffoon though, or worse yet, he played politics with the public funds. His complete bungling of the economy will haunt this country for the next 50 years.
Nice chart - meaningless but nice.
(and yes I stated Clinton was to blame for the debt)
Budget figures mean little or nothing. A country or an individual can budget for any amount. It's what they actually have to spend that counts.
I can budget my lunches for this week @ $100.00, and spend only $20.00.
I haven't *saved* $80.00.
On the contrary, I've spent $20.00.
Clinton still collected the $100.00 and spent the $20.00 - plus he spent an additional $20.00 and put the rest "in the bank" so to speak by (stupidly) paying off the debt.
He ignored rebuilding the military after the Gulf war.
Then to compound matters, he further depleted the already critical levels by involving us in Serbia/Croatia. Again, he never returned a pittance. He left it up to Bush to replenish the depleted stores. Had Clinton spent the money to replenish the military, instead of using it to pay off the debt, then Bush wouldn't have inherited as much of the burden.
I agree Clinton is a political brainchild.
He's an economic buffoon though, or worse yet, he played politics with the public funds. His complete bungling of the economy will haunt this country for the next 50 years.
loggerhead
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Not bad I would say. Take a look at the profits for his big oil buddies since.
Would we have need for the huge military budget had gwb not chosen to invaded a country under questionable pretense? Recall all of the bashing and bad mouthing of all of the major countries, france, Russia, china and etc who would not agree to invade without further evidence. Sort of looks like they were right in the first place.
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Right???
Thats what the financial world thinks also, uh hu!!!re
I dont think Rob wants people to die.. At least I hope not! Hes probably frustrated as I am that lot of Americans are blind to what is going on around them. This country was founded on rebellion. I hope our govt hasnt forgotten that!! Im not sure if people are blind to this stuff, or they just chose to remain ignorant, because its easier than dealing with the truth!!
I dont think Rob wants people to die.. At least I hope not! Hes probably frustrated as I am that lot of Americans are blind to what is going on around them. This country was founded on rebellion. I hope our govt hasnt forgotten that!! Im not sure if people are blind to this stuff, or they just chose to remain ignorant, because its easier than dealing with the truth!!
Prime, I appreciate your defending Rob P. as I don't know this person.
But I will say there are probably a few people here, like me, that lost someone durring 9/11. And all we know about the people here is based on what they say. If I heard a man say this in person I would punch him in the face. Sorry it is just out of line.
But I will say there are probably a few people here, like me, that lost someone durring 9/11. And all we know about the people here is based on what they say. If I heard a man say this in person I would punch him in the face. Sorry it is just out of line.
re
I completely understand.. My aunt had a buisiness meeting in WTC that morning. the meeting was thankfully later in the day, but she was at ground zero at the time.. My condolences to your family and my acknowledgement for your families sacrafices. We all lost brothers and sisters that day, and they wont be forgotten!!! I dont personally know rob, but I cant believe that anyone could seriously want to see anyone die.. If there is someone out there who does, they should play russian roulette in the mirror..
I completely understand.. My aunt had a buisiness meeting in WTC that morning. the meeting was thankfully later in the day, but she was at ground zero at the time.. My condolences to your family and my acknowledgement for your families sacrafices. We all lost brothers and sisters that day, and they wont be forgotten!!! I dont personally know rob, but I cant believe that anyone could seriously want to see anyone die.. If there is someone out there who does, they should play russian roulette in the mirror..
re
I completely understand.. My aunt had a buisiness meeting in WTC that morning. the meeting was thankfully later in the day, but she was at ground zero at the time.. My condolences to your family and my acknowledgement for your families sacrafices. We all lost brothers and sisters that day, and they wont be forgotten!!! I dont personally know rob, but I cant believe that anyone could seriously want to see anyone die.. If there is someone out there who does, they should play russian roulette in the mirror..
I completely understand.. My aunt had a buisiness meeting in WTC that morning. the meeting was thankfully later in the day, but she was at ground zero at the time.. My condolences to your family and my acknowledgement for your families sacrafices. We all lost brothers and sisters that day, and they wont be forgotten!!! I dont personally know rob, but I cant believe that anyone could seriously want to see anyone die.. If there is someone out there who does, they should play russian roulette in the mirror..
garand_shooter
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These are publically traded companies. A smart man would invest in these mega-profit companies and get himself a slice of the pie, instead of wasting time pi$$ing and moaning about it on an internet forum!!!
These are publically traded companies. A smart man would invest in these mega-profit
I nwould never invest in such corruption... If you do you are part of the problem. The perpetuation of self glory will always bit you in the butt. I try to make it a point to only do businesses which uphold my morals, and value systems..If you invest in Haliburton, to make a profit, your investing on the hardships and DEATH of others.. Id rather be poor and have my peice of mind!!!
I nwould never invest in such corruption... If you do you are part of the problem. The perpetuation of self glory will always bit you in the butt. I try to make it a point to only do businesses which uphold my morals, and value systems..If you invest in Haliburton, to make a profit, your investing on the hardships and DEATH of others.. Id rather be poor and have my peice of mind!!!
Hi Hal,
I'm new here! Sorry I didn't respond sooner I've been out shooting all day. 75 degrees no breeze and a beautiful 160 acre ranch all to myself. Life is good!
Anyway the chart isn't a budget...it's what Sir Spendalot actually spent and then burrowed from my grandkids. Now that's not being a good conservative...and most real cons know it. Not one spending veto EVER!This is the first war engaged in while having tax cuts....bad fiscal policy. See the chart shows that Mr Mensa didn't inherit a burden...no he actual was the only Pres in recent history to inherit a surplus.
Between giveaways to the rich and comps to corporate America he couldn't pay for Iraqi II ,better known as "World, getta load of us!"
But don't give all the credit to Clinton ...he couldn't have done all his good work without that stingy Republican Congress.
No, I'm afraid you may be a cult of one when it comes to giving " any real credit to Dizzy McFlightsuit for leadership of any kind. Even his "base" is embarrassed. As he says in his own defense however "I'm doing an engrenoble job
Most Presidents publish their memoirs after they're through...I hope His Voidness considers a dictionary instead because I can't find many of the words he uses in mine.No moron left behind!
I'll bet he wishes he went to class now! I know I do!
Rimrock
Hal, Bush has not vetoed any spending bill yet, it's not college level physics.
Who owes on the debt, you and every other American tax payer.
We owe the world 8 TRILLION $$$$$$$$$$$
We operate yearly at -500 BILLION$$$$$$$
China will, if not now own the USA.
Maybe Bush hopes the UAE will give us more credit to sink deeper into.
He just asked for another 170 BILLION! Wake up! We reached our new credit limit as of this week.
Who is going to pay for this?
How does Bush get you folks to beleive this is sane and no big deal?
Who owes on the debt, you and every other American tax payer.
We owe the world 8 TRILLION $$$$$$$$$$$
We operate yearly at -500 BILLION$$$$$$$
China will, if not now own the USA.
Maybe Bush hopes the UAE will give us more credit to sink deeper into.
He just asked for another 170 BILLION! Wake up! We reached our new credit limit as of this week.
Who is going to pay for this?
How does Bush get you folks to beleive this is sane and no big deal?
Rimrock - carbiner - loggerhead,
Gentlemen,
The discussion of the national debt and it's history should be in it's own thread. It's a drift from the current topic. I suggest if you feel strongly about it (as you obviously do) you either start a new thread or find one already in progress and bring it back to the top.
Gentlemen,
The discussion of the national debt and it's history should be in it's own thread. It's a drift from the current topic. I suggest if you feel strongly about it (as you obviously do) you either start a new thread or find one already in progress and bring it back to the top.
2nd that motion
I do have a confession to make Sometimes I like to play devils advocate and stir the pot.
Do I really think the deal with UAE is going to change anything? NO.
ICE and the USCG, ect will still be at the ports and if a UAE rep tells them to leave they are gonna tell the UAE guy to take a hike.
Why did this deal blow up?
for the simple fact that for some reason the Bush Administration feels the need to keep the American public out of the information loop.
Yes America wants a strong "smart" leader. How smart do you look when the stuff hits the fan and you publicly announce "I dont know that much about it". He is the leader of this nation for better or worse. His party has run on a platform of "protecting this nation". 9/11 sent some shock and fear into this nation of Muslims and Arab nations.
In a time of fear there is only one cure, to keep the people well informed. The Bush administration has gotten pie in the face because they fail to do this. it even has those within his own party in Congress nipping at his heels. These guys may be Republicans but self survival is a a stronger instinct. People tend to get angry when they are not informed by someone and they get side swiped on the issue, espicially if they are in the same party.
Why is he getting low marks on Iraq? because he prefers sound bites to giving the people a plan for Iraq that they can look at. Bush's administration would be light years ahead if the could give the American public a timeline, plan and some frank discussion.
I voted for Bush twice for Governor of Texas. He kept both political parties empowered in the process of building a future for Texas. That is the reason I voted for him as President the first time. For some reason he has totally alienated the other party and disenfranchised them from participating in the building of this nation.
All Democrats are not liberals. We have what we call Blue Dog Democrats who are a coaliton of Conservative and Moderate Democrats. These guys came along about to contest the liberal wing of the party. Mr Bush and his party have polarized matters between Republicans and Democrats. I am a Blued Dog Democrat as opposed to a Yellow Dog Democrat.
However, among some of you the word Democrat seems to be an expletive. I do not worship at the office of Teddy Kennedy or other Democrats. With Bush polarizing the two parties it sure does make life hard for a conservative Democrat.
Mr. Bush has said we are a nation at war. Yet, he seems to want to fight a second front in Washington and a third front against some of the citizens. Lincoln said a house divided can not stand. Mr. Bush needs to do like he did as Governor and empower the Democrats and citizens and give them an interest in making this a greater nation.
Since we are a nation at war he needs to be frank with the American people.Have a more open and informative process. When you blindside your own party members and piss them off...you need to relook at what you are doing.
I do have a confession to make
Sometimes I like to play devils advocate and stir the pot.Do I really think the deal with UAE is going to change anything? NO.
ICE and the USCG, ect will still be at the ports and if a UAE rep tells them to leave they are gonna tell the UAE guy to take a hike.
Why did this deal blow up?
for the simple fact that for some reason the Bush Administration feels the need to keep the American public out of the information loop.
Yes America wants a strong "smart" leader. How smart do you look when the stuff hits the fan and you publicly announce "I dont know that much about it". He is the leader of this nation for better or worse. His party has run on a platform of "protecting this nation". 9/11 sent some shock and fear into this nation of Muslims and Arab nations.
In a time of fear there is only one cure, to keep the people well informed. The Bush administration has gotten pie in the face because they fail to do this. it even has those within his own party in Congress nipping at his heels. These guys may be Republicans but self survival is a a stronger instinct. People tend to get angry when they are not informed by someone and they get side swiped on the issue, espicially if they are in the same party.
Why is he getting low marks on Iraq? because he prefers sound bites to giving the people a plan for Iraq that they can look at. Bush's administration would be light years ahead if the could give the American public a timeline, plan and some frank discussion.
I voted for Bush twice for Governor of Texas. He kept both political parties empowered in the process of building a future for Texas. That is the reason I voted for him as President the first time. For some reason he has totally alienated the other party and disenfranchised them from participating in the building of this nation.
All Democrats are not liberals. We have what we call Blue Dog Democrats who are a coaliton of Conservative and Moderate Democrats. These guys came along about to contest the liberal wing of the party. Mr Bush and his party have polarized matters between Republicans and Democrats. I am a Blued Dog Democrat as opposed to a Yellow Dog Democrat.
However, among some of you the word Democrat seems to be an expletive. I do not worship at the office of Teddy Kennedy or other Democrats. With Bush polarizing the two parties it sure does make life hard for a conservative Democrat.
Mr. Bush has said we are a nation at war. Yet, he seems to want to fight a second front in Washington and a third front against some of the citizens. Lincoln said a house divided can not stand. Mr. Bush needs to do like he did as Governor and empower the Democrats and citizens and give them an interest in making this a greater nation.
Since we are a nation at war he needs to be frank with the American people.Have a more open and informative process. When you blindside your own party members and piss them off...you need to relook at what you are doing.
Two reason why I don't want the UAE owning the ports in question;
I live less than 30 miles from the Philadelphia port
I read Page 138 of the 9/11 commision report about the UAE
http://www.mastalk.com/mastalk/readOfTheDay.jspx
I am a Republican and was with Bush in 2000 and in 2004 (Democrats...why Kerry...why, couldn't you pick Welesly Clark or someone less "Hippie" while we are at war.) I slowly have lost all confidence in GWB especially in regards to the Mexican Border (kissing up to the Mexican/American Voters), Hiding info regarding the Saudis involvment in 9/11, and the whole Katrina thing (multiple people to blame, but the White House screwed up too), and now this port thing. I think GWB lost all common sense. I want a president with backbone, that will take take US security seriously.
Who can do this in 08??? Hilliary??? Come on are you serious...The Democrats are completely wacked. I say Rudy G. in 2008.
I live less than 30 miles from the Philadelphia port
I read Page 138 of the 9/11 commision report about the UAE
http://www.mastalk.com/mastalk/readOfTheDay.jspx
I am a Republican and was with Bush in 2000 and in 2004 (Democrats...why Kerry...why, couldn't you pick Welesly Clark or someone less "Hippie" while we are at war.) I slowly have lost all confidence in GWB especially in regards to the Mexican Border (kissing up to the Mexican/American Voters), Hiding info regarding the Saudis involvment in 9/11, and the whole Katrina thing (multiple people to blame, but the White House screwed up too), and now this port thing. I think GWB lost all common sense. I want a president with backbone, that will take take US security seriously.
Who can do this in 08??? Hilliary??? Come on are you serious...The Democrats are completely wacked. I say Rudy G. in 2008.
invention_45
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MoW:
As has been said here, dirty tricks are easier to perform at foreign ports when our ports are more loosely guarded or are guarded by Americans following ORDERS from the UAE owners.
As to counterfeiting the seals, how about this. Anyone attempting to obtain nuclear materials and create a bomb from them, or attempting to simply buy a bomb will need LOTS of money and resources.
Are you trying to say that some group with that much money won't be able to either pay enough to couterfiet a seal or simply bribe the folks applying the legitimate seal?
I don't know one thing about shipping or ports. There's gotta be a Greek company in existence. How about Wackenhut or Pinkerton's for the security portion of the operation?
I'm sure DPW isn't the only port operator in the world.
Also, how about whoever is doing it NOW ?
As has been said here, dirty tricks are easier to perform at foreign ports when our ports are more loosely guarded or are guarded by Americans following ORDERS from the UAE owners.
As to counterfeiting the seals, how about this. Anyone attempting to obtain nuclear materials and create a bomb from them, or attempting to simply buy a bomb will need LOTS of money and resources.
Are you trying to say that some group with that much money won't be able to either pay enough to couterfiet a seal or simply bribe the folks applying the legitimate seal?
I don't know one thing about shipping or ports. There's gotta be a Greek company in existence. How about Wackenhut or Pinkerton's for the security portion of the operation?
I'm sure DPW isn't the only port operator in the world.
Also, how about whoever is doing it NOW ?
The UAE does not give orders to ICE, USCG, FBI nor any law enforcement agency. Nor the Port Authority. If anything security will be tighter now.I myself do not live to far from a port that will be effected. Someone that I know and trust knows the guys in this neck of the woods in charge of port security had this discussion. The MAN said that the UAE will own the business and the name will be on the signs, but we own the security. This came not from some faceless bureaucrat in DC but a local Federal law enforcment official that I know of and respect. What this means is that if the ICE guy says frog to the UAE guy, the UAE guy's response should be how high.
more than half the ports in the US are already owned by foriegners. 80% of the port terminals in Los Angeles are owned by foriegn companies.
Does anybody even know how much of America our citizens own and how much of Ameica foreign investors own?
basically what this boils down to is a failure of Mr. Bush to keep the American people informed.
more than half the ports in the US are already owned by foriegners. 80% of the port terminals in Los Angeles are owned by foriegn companies.
Does anybody even know how much of America our citizens own and how much of Ameica foreign investors own?
basically what this boils down to is a failure of Mr. Bush to keep the American people informed.