Unclear on the Concept...

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Seeker

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Handled and fired a Glock for the first time yesterday. It wasn't a bad experience but I will stay with my FEG PJK 9HP.

I am a little confused by the trigger safety. It seems to me that, for the most part, all guns are safe until you pull the trigger.

My FEG has the thumb safety near the back of the pistol which prevents the trigger from dropping the hammer and the slide from sliding, M-1 carbine has lever near the trigger guard that prevents trigger pull, My Remington pump actions (30.06, .35 and .22) all have a button that pushes from left to right (and visa versa) side of the trigger guard that prevents trigger pull. These all make sense to me - they prevent the trigger from being pulled accidently.

It seems that with the Glock that if something hooked inside the trigger guard and against the trigger an AD may well result.

What am I missing?
 
Seeker,

I believe you are not missing a thing. If a Glock has a round chambered and both the trigger safety and the trigger are depressed, the striker will actuate and a round will be fired.
 
Recently read an article about a police officer who picked up his toddler when he got home from work-toddler's toe caught in the trigger guard of his holstered Glock-POW.

Safe action?Yeah,right.
 
That is why you NEVER carry a Glock in a holster that doesn't cover the trigger completely. It sounds to me like that police officer had the wrong holster.

BTW I agree all this talk that Glocks are safe and SA designs are dangerous is a bunch of :barf: !
 
Glock Safety is same as most revolvers.... nonexistant

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Glocks and clones do not have any ACTIVE safety. They only have PASSIVE protections. This is a bad thing in my book.

I define a safety as anything that, when the trigger is pulled, will prevent the gun from firing. Most all revolvers suffer from this as well.

I think they could be sued for misrepresentation and maybe someday they will.

They are reliable guns with no safety, crappy triggers and only moderate accuracy.

I would own a glock but would consider it less safe than even a .25 raven etc. but only slightly safer than the S&W model 19 I used to have.

I started this out thinking it was yet another opportunity to slam Glock but realized that many of us own handguns without ACTIVE safeties. -ddt
 
I love the Glock Safe Action system. On my handguns, onless it is a SA pistol that's cocked and locked, or a SA derringer with no internal safety, I usually turn my maunal safeties off when I am carrying. I know enough not to yank the trigger with the muzzle pointed at my groin. If you don't feel comfortable carrying a holstered Glock, you shouldn't feel comfortable carrying any DA or DAO wheelgun.
 
The trigger pull on a DA revolver is much heavier than the trigger pull on the Glock, making the revolver "safer" in my opinion.

The trigger "safety" on a Glock will only prevent accidental discharges from partial snags of the trigger.

Some (?Jeff Cooper) have compared the Glock trigger safety to writing the combination on the front of a safe.

The bottom line is, keep the trigger covered with a holster, and dont pull it unless you are trying to make the gun go bang, and you will do fine. If you are uncomfortable with Glocks, dont tote 'em.
 
That is why I no longer own a Glock or a 1911-----both are accidents waiting to happen------all my carry guns have the hammer in the "down" position.
 
Less safe than a raven?

If I'm not mistaken a Raven .25 is basically the same as the Jennings and Davis type Autos. In this case these weapons have no firing pin block safety and can be fired by accidently dropping the weapon on the ground causing enough inertia to disengage the sear from the firing pin. Field strip one and look at the sear/firing pin engagement and you will see what I mean.

The Glocks do have a firing pin block, and although the stiker is in a "preset" position, there is no way possible for the weapon to fire unless the trigger is deliberately pulled whether by accident of on purpose.

So I guess if we label pistols without "active " safeties unsafe...we need to include all revolvers of course, Kel Tecs, Sigs, Smith and Ruger DAO's, Beretta and Taurus DAO's, and a host of other weapons.

I for one believe that if proper procedures are taken, such as using a holster with a covered trigger guard, a Glock can be perfectly safe. If you aren't comfy with one..so be it. Don't carry one.

I've carried Glocks for about five years with no problems whatsoever. Safety devices such as the Saf T Blok can also be useful for those who like Glocks, but aren't 100 percent comfortable. With that you can pretty much be assured of no AD's from pulling the trigger with the device in place.

Good Shooting
RED
 
I'd also point out that a revolver's trigger pull is considerably longer than a Glock's.

And with the grip safety as well as an external safety, I think the 1911 design is safer than a Glocks.
 
If you rely on mechanical devices instead of your mind to keep your firearms safe, you WILL eventually have a negligent discharge.
 
AndaBeer wrote:
If you rely on mechanical devices instead of your mind to keep your firearms safe, you WILL eventually have a negligent discharge.
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Well said, and worth repeating.

The ONLY REAL SAFETY is the one between your ears.

There is no such thing as a foolproof safety in a world so rife with fools.
 
If you are too dumb to not pull the trigger when you don't want it to shoot, you shouldn't own ANY firearm. Glocks are very safe from the point of view of everything that DOESN'T involve pulling the trigger, which IMHO is the proper purpose of firearm safties.

And how the heck can a 1911 be unsafe? To fire the wapon cocked-and-locked, you must:

1. Move the manual safety to the "fire" position,
2. Grip the weapon so as to depress the grip safety,
3. Pull the trigger.

If you can do all that and not mean to fire the weapon, you probably already have an extra hole in your head anyway. Of course, C&L *LOOKS* scary, so if inanimate objects scare you then of course you should carry something else. :rolleyes:
 
A local police department has had two accidental discharges involving officers reholstering a Glock. They changed holster vendors.
 
Ignoring the "subtle" :rolleyes: anti-Glock bias lurking here, let me add this for you Seeker, just in case you might actually WANT a Glock, but wish it had a Safety...

http://members.aol.com/saftblok/

Hey, I don't even OWN a Glock, don't really plan to own a Glock, but I don't feel a need to BASH 'em either. Don't own a 1911, don't really plan to own a................ :)
 
If you rely on mechanical devices instead of your mind to keep your firearms safe, you WILL eventually have a negligent discharge.
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Ditto


That is why I no longer own a Glock or a 1911-----both are accidents waiting to happen------all my carry guns have the hammer in the "down" position.
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Rick
 
I also have never been able to see the benefit of the Glock's trigger safety button. I suspect it is 99.9% marketing ("Safe Action?" - compared to what?). I also think that a Glock is more likely to be fired accidentally than a double-action revolver or traditional (true) double-action semi-auto because the Glocks trigger pull is much shorter and lighter.

I also get a little tired of the endlessly repeated comment that "the only real safety is between your ears." I don't think anyone suggests that a mechanical device replaces safe gun handling. But MY brain tells me that if I can select a gun that is less prone to accidental discharges, maybe that's the smart thing to do (depending on my own needs, training, experience, etc.).

All handguns are a compromise between two opposing goals. We want them to:

1) Be very difficult to fire accidentally, but

2) Be very fast and easy to fire intentionally.

Almost no one wants to carry a cocked single action pistol with a 1.5 lb trigger around stuck in his belt without a manual safety engaged (regardless of how much "safety" they carry between their ears). At the other extreme, almost no one would want a DAO pistol with a long 20lb trigger pull, a manual safety, and a grip safety. Most handguns fall somewhere between these extremes. I'm not criticizing Glock shooters for their choice of a pistol - if they are willing to buy appropriate holsters and practice a little extra care in their gun handling, I'm sure Glocks are a great choice for many. But I think it is a little myopic of them to suggest that Glocks, even in the hands of experienced shooters, are not at least a little more prone to accidental discharges than handguns with manual safeties and/or longer, heavier trigger pulls.

Doug
 
I've owned at least one pistol with a manual safety that would fire when the trigger was pulled--even with the manual safety engaged.
 
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