UN standing army bill before house

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Let me define the word "bummer."

"Bummer" is having
Ted Kennedy for one senator;
John Kerry for the other senator; and
James McGovern for your congressman.

That's the situation I am in.

To be fair, all three are pretty good at constituant service; i.e. someone's hand from the IRS or VA is found caught in your shorts while you're wearing them. You call them and they do get involved.

On the other hand, their anti-gun hatred is astonishing in its intensity, ignorance, and obdurance. They are, on this issue, literally brain damaged -- unable to even consider another side of the argument.

I have written to each repeatedly on the right to self-defense with a firearm. They are incapable of hearing such arguments. They honestly believe that guns contain evil spirits which leap out and turn the gun owner into a murdering psychopath (I guess they are all animists, as the anthroplogists call them). Perhaps a psychiatrist on this discussion group can provide further insight.

I have never received anything other than a form letter from any of them in return for my letters on this subject. The replies from Kennedy usually are on an entirely different subject (??).

The only way this situation will change is a change in whom we send to Congress. At the national level, The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts is a lost cause for the foreseeable future. That's why those of you in other states have an even more important vote this November. At the local level, there should be some surprises here in the PRM this fall.
 
>>Many people are now saying that the "hedge is down" and His "hand is lifted" when they discuss the state of America. The persecution of Christians is already beginning. We are probably the only group that does not warrant the protections of political correctness. It's not going to get any better. Our national sovereignty is slipping away bit by bit in favor of globalism. It's surreal to watch the play by >>play happen before my eyes.

Longshot:

Don't get carried away. We Jews represent less than 3% of the US population but do not qualify as an "official minority" because we have committed the unpardonable sin of making it without government help. Several years ago I applied for a job with the FAA and was told that, although they wanted to hire me, they couldn't because they had been ordered not to hire any more white men until they had hired a quota of "more women and minorities." I pointed out that I was a minority, at which time I was informed that Jews are not an _official_ minority, sanctioned by the Government. The job of aircraft safety inspector subsequently went to 'a woman or minority' with perhaps 1/3 of my training and skills.

Fly safe!
 
I'm fairly sure that, once they have a 6000-man force, it would be a lot easier to extend it.

What did the liberators have to do with winning the war? Unless dropping them all on enemy troops/factories hit people on the head and cracked their skulls.

Battler.
 
Battler, I appreciate what you say. Business can be taken care of if the need should arise. Blue Hats should never be allowed here.
 
The UN very well may be the force used to disarm us, after all they are the ones calling for it to begin with.

IMO most of our politcians are long since sold on the NWO and will stop at nothing to bring it about, it is as "for God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast" Rev. 17:17 - Whether or not a person believes in God it is evident that it is indeed in their hearts to give them our sovereignty.

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Anybody here read the "Left Behind", series of books?

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Don

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History shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
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Get control of all means of publicity, and thereby get the peoples' mind off their government by focusing their attention on athletics, sexy books and plays, and other trivialities.
Divide the people into hostile groups by constantly harping on controversial matters of no importance."

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The UN occupation of the US is another story that makes RKBA folks look very stupid.

It was probably started by HCI.

Does anybody who proposes it know jack-squat about force levels and logistics?

That story should be used as a mental status exam question.
 
Dr. Meyer,

Don't expect one key event to be the turning point.

It will not be an occupation in the military sense, but more of a cultural assimilation. The media and government will continue to persuade the masses that the U.N. ideals of population disarmament and socialism are worth adopting. It won't be so hard after that when the once majority has become the minority.

Identifying this isn't the problem. Figuring out how to change it is clearly the challenge.

Frogs + Boiling Water = Amerika

PS to all: I just saw "The Patriot". They danced around the slavery issue, but I sure did like the movie. Inspiring.

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Hey, I agree about the risk of cultural destruction of our value systems. Although, we might disagree on some items - it is a terrible threat.

I only get excited when folks postulate actual invasion and occupation.
 
Back a few years ago, the U.N. put out a paper on ownership of firearms by citizens of the world. The long and short of it was that no country should have privately owned firearms by its citizenry. Don't doubt that if we get sucked into a one-world government, they will come for your guns. It may be the only way anti-gunners will disarm America. Oppose this bill at all costs. Your friend next door in the Army may be under U.N. control in the future, and when the "Boss" says confiscate the weapons, the bill of rights just isn't going to be an issue.
 
Glenn,

There doesn't need to be an "invasion" This isn't a take over to begin with and it never was, the US govt and UN are working side by side on this. It's not a far shot that they would assist in the rounding up of small arms, just look at their disarmerment page regarding their stance on the issue, and they are , after all "peacekeepers":http://www.un.org/Depts/dda/CAB/index.html

I don't see where anyone said there would be any forced invasion so I don't know what you are saying. Everyone was talking about occupation that is supported by the goverment working with our existing police / military forces. The govt is already requiring the turning in of sks in cali and some pistols in mass ? ( think it's massachusetts wasn't it ? )With a TV campaign or two the public would largely support UN involvement in many of the affairs of this country ( it would be our global duty for peace, and our duty to take our place as the defining power in the new global goverment or some such crap give or take ). There is a request before the house as noted about this very thing. This would not be the standard military occupation, it would be a joint policing venture and tactical military stationing of UN forces so they could preform their "peacekeeping" missions abroad on quicker notice, although functioning as part of our govt they could very well be involved in domestic issues as well. There is nothing at all ludicrous about it, after all, there are bills before the house about it as noted above, you can't have much more evidence ( at least of the attempt to bring this about )then that.

There can be no real invasion if they are "us" and we are "them", which IMO is exactly the case, they just are easing us into it. That's what One World Goverment is all about.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glenn E. Meyer:
The UN occupation of the US is another story that makes RKBA folks look very stupid.

It was probably started by HCI.

Does anybody who proposes it know jack-squat about force levels and logistics?

That story should be used as a mental status exam question.[/quote]

It's not going to happen, certainly. My problem is that I can't get too spun up about the UN coming and taking away our guns until the 2nd Amendment, the 4th Amendment, the 9th Amendment, the Article I proscriptions (Section 9, feds, and sec 10, states) of ex-post facto laws are all repealed, or at least revised. I'm convinced that the people who don't know an assault weapon (?) from a blackpowder rifle will revolt at the prospect of UN soldiers on US soil to enforce Kofi Annan's disarmament in violation of multiple provisions of the Constitution. The American people are largely ignorant of the Constitution, but they'll figure it out if push comes to shove. Maybe that'll be our job...

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When A annoys or injures B on the pretext of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. - H. L. Mencken
 
I wanted to ignore this thread. This UN Standing Army stuff is too preposterous to imagine. But then I started thinking, who is pulling the strings in DC? A person that in any other country, or profession would be serving a life sentance for selling secrets to a foriegn country. Or spending ten to twenty for perjury and God only knows what else.

Therefore, I must say that Yes this is possible. I would start to, quoting Chairman Mao, "burying rice everywhere". Stash up on the goodies guys and gals, it may not be around too much longer. If anyone needs to know how to prepare weapons or ammo for long term storage, email me off the list.


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end up plowing the fields of those who didn't"
Thomas Jefferson
 
Now, I have someone mad at me who says what if the Red Chinese send over 200,000,000 troops to take our guns away. What will the 70 million gun owners do?

Listen:

1. The force structures do not exist anywhere in the world for meaningful foreign intervention in the USA. They don't.

2. The country would have to distintergrate politically for it to happen. There would quite a bit of chaos before that.

So if you are worried that one day, you will wake up and there will be a white Humvee with three guys from Senegal or Luxembourg driving up to get your Mini-14, forget it.

For once, UN fearing dudes - tell me what troops are coming over here, with what equipment and what shipping?

The European armies, talk to some Europeans and see what they think of going in the service.

The Latin American forces, the Africans?

OH - the Chinese - how? How? HOW? Who feeds them, equips them, pays for them? Where is the shipping and the internal transportation in the USA?

Are we going to ship them over ourselves?
Right! So our government and military totally and completely collapses first.

If you make stupid arguments for the RKBA you might as well join HCI.

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Glenn,

There is a bill before the house on this issue, did you bother to look at the link ? Can you explain to me how this is not a issue while there is a proposal before the house about this very subject, even UN forces stationed here ? You seem to attempt to belittle anyone who opposes your viewpoints, if you have a valid point make it, the evidence stands for itself. You are being silly yourself by not accepting that this could very well become a problem - it is before the house right now. As for our military forces collapsing how would that be necessary ? Our military forces will work together with these guys, hell they will even be these guys. Chill on the name calling HCI crap, we're all in this together.

Here's another link, notice how they ridicule anyone who states this may be a problem. It should be painfully obvious that this could indeed happen. I'm sure the World Net Daily guys have reviewed enough of the facts to present a logical arguement. Link: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_btl/19980414_xcbtl_the_uns_bi.shtml




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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Glenn E. Meyer:
Now, I have someone mad at me who says what if the Red Chinese send over 200,000,000 troops to take our guns away. What will the 70 million gun owners do?
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Hell, the Chinese don't even have the lift capability to launch an invasion of Taiwan, only 200 miles away (or they would have likely done it by now).



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When A annoys or injures B on the pretext of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. - H. L. Mencken
 
Sorry if I got excited. If our military works with these guys? What guys?

OK, kids - I said my piece clearly. Worrying about the UN is a waste of time. It is a diversion from the important aspects of the debate.

Since this is such a low probability event arguing that we need the RKBA because of such a possibility make us look silly.

Once you make a silly argument, your other real ones are discounted.

Try to win local elections, get control of the Congress, get Bush elected.



[This message has been edited by Glenn E. Meyer (edited July 10, 2000).]
 
Like the sticker on my comp says: "Whatever".

Just read on another freedom lovin board that the U.S. military signed a agreement with the UN to fight on American soil. Waiting for confirmation before I post on a Topic.

Peace and Prayers and loaded weapons.

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Glenn,
how feasable would it be to use 747 commercial planes as troop transport? Couldnt you get about 500 chinese soldiers on board each plane. I remember reading of a mass exodus out of ethiopia that had over 1000 people onboard one of these, granted the ethiopians are not large people but the average chinese isnt any biger than about 50%. Have no idea if this would work, but was curious as to some opinions if this would work, hypothetically?
 
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