Ultimate Combat Shotgun
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Oh fine, I bite
Personally I would advise other than pick one of the "big four" to pick whatever shotgun you are most comfortable with, whether that be one of the "big four" or other good guns like the browning bps, benelli nova, or various autos. My thinking says you will shoot a shoot you really like more than one your just "ok" with. I would get the firearm that I am most fond of that is in my price range while leaving plenty of money to buy ammo. I personally am not hugely fond of mossburgs and the Win 1300 (although I agree they fullfull their intented purposes), try as I may I can't seems to get in tune with 870s but I think they are a great shotgun and I know several people who shoot them very well. Currently I shoot a Ithaca 37 with an 18.5 in rifle sited barrel. No extended mag, side saddle, tac sling........and its not even black. Its just a design I learned shotgunning on, used ever since I could keep the barrel off the ground, hunted every legal species in my area with, shoot countless rounds through and generally can operate in my sleep. While it doesn't have any tactical goodies (not they are bad, just not necessary), and I now shoot a nova for birds and citori for clays, its an old friend that will forever be a living part of me. So like Dave always says, its the shooter not the gun.
Dave, if you ever end up in Iowa drop me a line and I will be more than happy to take you up on your offer. Now whether I would beat you or not, I will not or can not guess but win or lose it oughta be worth the price of the coffee.
M Jager
Personally I would advise other than pick one of the "big four" to pick whatever shotgun you are most comfortable with, whether that be one of the "big four" or other good guns like the browning bps, benelli nova, or various autos. My thinking says you will shoot a shoot you really like more than one your just "ok" with. I would get the firearm that I am most fond of that is in my price range while leaving plenty of money to buy ammo. I personally am not hugely fond of mossburgs and the Win 1300 (although I agree they fullfull their intented purposes), try as I may I can't seems to get in tune with 870s but I think they are a great shotgun and I know several people who shoot them very well. Currently I shoot a Ithaca 37 with an 18.5 in rifle sited barrel. No extended mag, side saddle, tac sling........and its not even black. Its just a design I learned shotgunning on, used ever since I could keep the barrel off the ground, hunted every legal species in my area with, shoot countless rounds through and generally can operate in my sleep. While it doesn't have any tactical goodies (not they are bad, just not necessary), and I now shoot a nova for birds and citori for clays, its an old friend that will forever be a living part of me. So like Dave always says, its the shooter not the gun.
Dave, if you ever end up in Iowa drop me a line and I will be more than happy to take you up on your offer. Now whether I would beat you or not, I will not or can not guess but win or lose it oughta be worth the price of the coffee.
M Jager
Best buddy's buying a farm in Iowa, M, you just might get to see me.
A coupla things.....
The big reasons I recommend the Big Four over some other good shotguns like the BPS and Nova are....
Long track record of good service.
Availability of parts and service. IE, I can get plenty of mechanics to work on my Toyota, but if I had a Ferrari(hah!) there would be fewer people able to fix it.
Low cost per use. Any of the Big Four are lots of bang for the buck.Maybe not as pretty as a Piotti but as much fun and more utility.
Anyone building a battery of shotguns for anything from WWIII to woodcock to clays would do well to start with one of the Big Four.
Specialized shotguns could come later.
91B and Giz, I understand that there's some aftermarket companies out there that will do a complete camo job on shotguns, using name brand patterns.This is similar to the factory paint jobs.
If true, the shiny MM finish needn't be a drawback.
A coupla things.....
The big reasons I recommend the Big Four over some other good shotguns like the BPS and Nova are....
Long track record of good service.
Availability of parts and service. IE, I can get plenty of mechanics to work on my Toyota, but if I had a Ferrari(hah!) there would be fewer people able to fix it.
Low cost per use. Any of the Big Four are lots of bang for the buck.Maybe not as pretty as a Piotti but as much fun and more utility.
Anyone building a battery of shotguns for anything from WWIII to woodcock to clays would do well to start with one of the Big Four.
Specialized shotguns could come later.
91B and Giz, I understand that there's some aftermarket companies out there that will do a complete camo job on shotguns, using name brand patterns.This is similar to the factory paint jobs.
If true, the shiny MM finish needn't be a drawback.
It is definitely the "Injun" !
I haven't frequented this board lately, but I'm sure glad to see so much common sense displayed. Hopefully, it is not just specific to shotgunners!
Those of us who remember Elvis and have been slinging lead for decades know that it IS the "Injun" and not the "arrow." Not much takes the place of lots of rounds downrange.
I like my Benelli Super 90 I've had for about 13 years, but I sure replaced the pistol grip stock with a standard stock. When strictly in the process of sending rounds out fast, the quality Benelli pistol grip certainly gives great support; however, for practical handling and such, it just gets in the way, at least for me.
Greg
I haven't frequented this board lately, but I'm sure glad to see so much common sense displayed. Hopefully, it is not just specific to shotgunners!
Those of us who remember Elvis and have been slinging lead for decades know that it IS the "Injun" and not the "arrow." Not much takes the place of lots of rounds downrange.
I like my Benelli Super 90 I've had for about 13 years, but I sure replaced the pistol grip stock with a standard stock. When strictly in the process of sending rounds out fast, the quality Benelli pistol grip certainly gives great support; however, for practical handling and such, it just gets in the way, at least for me.
Greg
Al Thompson
Staff Alumnus
Gee whiz 91b, thanks for the reminder! 
Last time I had a uniform on was in the last century - not that I feel old or anything..
Dave, there's an interesting train of thought that the evildoer is more likely to react at the sight of a highly visible firearm - think nickel or chrome. Idea is that the gun is much eaiser to recognize when visible.
I'm not sure I buy it, but food for thought.
IIRC, the Marine Magnum had to be specially selected due to the nature of the finish. Any surface defects would be exaggerated by the hard nickle finish.
Last time I had a uniform on was in the last century - not that I feel old or anything.. Dave, there's an interesting train of thought that the evildoer is more likely to react at the sight of a highly visible firearm - think nickel or chrome. Idea is that the gun is much eaiser to recognize when visible.
I'm not sure I buy it, but food for thought.
IIRC, the Marine Magnum had to be specially selected due to the nature of the finish. Any surface defects would be exaggerated by the hard nickle finish.
Giz, back when IPSC was still good training for the street, lots of us were polishing off the blue on various carry guns at the muzzle. Made the hole on the bbl look bigger, my GM looked like a cat could crawl inside.
High profile weaponry can act as a pacifier,IMO, but not always.
Greg, thanks, stop by more often...
High profile weaponry can act as a pacifier,IMO, but not always.
Greg, thanks, stop by more often...
FeelNFroggy79
Inactive
Combat Shotgun
My opinion is that you get what you pay for. Ya, the M1 Tactical is pricey, but its probably the most reliable weapon I know of aside from my overall favorite, the M4 Carbine.
My opinion is that you get what you pay for. Ya, the M1 Tactical is pricey, but its probably the most reliable weapon I know of aside from my overall favorite, the M4 Carbine.
Be that as it may,79,I'll match the 870's record against any other shotgun, period.
In more than 40 years of use, maybe 50K rounds,I cannot recall any glitches, except with a handful of abused and neglected institutional weapons.
870s are my bet my butt, A/S scenario goto.
But again, the software is so much more important than the hardware. A good shotgunner is good with any shotgun.
Uh, just how close are you to central Md?
In more than 40 years of use, maybe 50K rounds,I cannot recall any glitches, except with a handful of abused and neglected institutional weapons.
870s are my bet my butt, A/S scenario goto.
But again, the software is so much more important than the hardware. A good shotgunner is good with any shotgun.
Uh, just how close are you to central Md?
Gkock Glocker, per your original post you stated "the more evil looking the better". You may want to rethink that one. I am under the assumption that this will be for Home Defense. (Doesn't sound like you are assembling a skeet gun). In that role if you are forced to shoot in a defensive situation there will be an aftermath. Think Criminal charges. Think civil suit, think about a jury of 12 of your peers ( a combination of liberal bedwetters and soccermoms). Think about a prosecutor waving a laser sighted, pistol grip, heat shielded, flash lighted, black stocked, side saddled, butt cuffed, evil looking ASSAULT shotgun at the jury! This would be a very cool shotty in the TFL circle but might not be so cool in court. Al in Md
I used to shoot original SOF 3 gun matches in early 80s so I HAD to make up a full race 1100. Before that I liked High Standard Flite Kings and Ithaca 37s (alot). 20 years and Louis Auwerbuck classes later its the pre express 870's that I depend on for protection/whatever. Good clean used one tuned up by a good smith is better than any of the high priced new junk (benelli M-1 possibly excepted) IMHO.
glock glocker...
Well, 9mmMike predicted what would happen and it did. Kinda like trying to get a drink from a firehose, eh?
I haven't seen it mentioned yet in this thread, but the most fun you might have this year would be to take a weekend or week-long combat shotgun course from some reputable school (see search function). Shoot a thousand rounds and blow away hundreds of targets and feel every single shot from your shoulder to your soul... it doesn't get any better than that!
Well, 9mmMike predicted what would happen and it did. Kinda like trying to get a drink from a firehose, eh?
I haven't seen it mentioned yet in this thread, but the most fun you might have this year would be to take a weekend or week-long combat shotgun course from some reputable school (see search function). Shoot a thousand rounds and blow away hundreds of targets and feel every single shot from your shoulder to your soul... it doesn't get any better than that!
sorry, just noticed that some of us have been mis-spelling your handle...
glock glockler... with the second L in...
Another thought.... not that glock shooters are wimpy, but you also might want to read Dave McC's posts about recoil, especially if you're gonna shoot (72 caliber) slugs a lot.
glock glockler... with the second L in...
Another thought.... not that glock shooters are wimpy, but you also might want to read Dave McC's posts about recoil, especially if you're gonna shoot (72 caliber) slugs a lot.
george miller
New member
870..
if you dont mind the fees and paperwork for a registered a.o.w(any other weapon)get an 870 entry gun.as compact as they get.the home def. model is a good gun.or just get a express model and add tac star pistol grips(these are good,theyre very hard to break) and a choate mag extension(get the kit with the orange follower that keeps the spring from binding).check the receiver side for "express magnum",they can handle mag loads.#4 buck is a good def load.switch barrels and stock and youre back to a good rabbit or bird gun.
if you dont mind the fees and paperwork for a registered a.o.w(any other weapon)get an 870 entry gun.as compact as they get.the home def. model is a good gun.or just get a express model and add tac star pistol grips(these are good,theyre very hard to break) and a choate mag extension(get the kit with the orange follower that keeps the spring from binding).check the receiver side for "express magnum",they can handle mag loads.#4 buck is a good def load.switch barrels and stock and youre back to a good rabbit or bird gun.
I just bought a new Winchester 1300 Defender 8 shot synth stock I thought I would let you know how things went.
Paid $239.99 for the 1300 Defender 18" synth stock 8 shot tru glow sight., from Gart Sports (870 was the same price).
I friend of mine has an 870 in the configuration 18" synth stock I was looking at when trying to decided which gun to buy. So I convinced him to come with me to shoot the two shotguns. I had to bribe him by buying the ammo!!
400 rounds 200 winchester and 200 remington 2 3/4 12gauge target loads 8 and 7 1/2 shot. $14.88 per 100 at Walmart.
and assorted 2 3/4" and 3" slugs and magnum buckshot loads, mostly Winchester loads.
Up front the 1300 has the factory 7 shot mag, 870 has the factory 4 shot. Both are factory stock.
Winchester was brand new from factory cleaned once, the 870 has approximately 500 rounds through it and also had just been cleaned. My friend tells me the 870 was having a couple of problems with the action binding when racked to the rear last time he had shot it. Seems the left action bar is getting caught somewhere (not sure)... Seemed to cycle ok when empty before the range.
My friend intitially said he liked the action on th1300 felt a lot smoother and lighter than his 870. Also he liked that the mag was longer. (He din't like when I told him that if he got the extension for the 870 he would void the warranty)
Loading both guns seemed easy enough.
Shooting. I actually shot 5 rounds of the 870 first 2 3/4 target loads just getting a feel of the action . No problems the 870 was smooth and fast.
Then I shot the 1300 for the first time 8 shots. The 1300 is noticeably smoother and much faster to pump.! The un-locking of the action is pretty impressive. Handed it to my friend without comment and asked what he thought. Again he remarked with a smile that the 1300's action seemed smoother (I had not de-burred the gun yet, just oil) He wanted another 8 shots but I made him give at back!!
We shot 300 target loads without cleaning with zero problems through the 1300. One short stroke by me when I was trying to see just how fast I could get this thing to cycle.
We shot 100 target loads through the 870 and the action did bind again several times on this particular 870. (I have read about this else where on the forums and understand that there is a quick fix.) The slide would not move to the rear at all it seemed the harder it was pulled the more locked it became.That wasn't really a problem except for my buddy who was starting to get pretty pissed off!!! Trust me I understand that this is not indicative of all 870s I wish the 870 had not jammmed at all to make this evaluation a little more realistic. I was more interested in how the action felt and the balance of the gun. BTW the 1300 even with the higher capcity (unloaded) is lighter than the 870.
We then shot:
(5) 2 3/4" 1oz slugs
(5) 3" magnum 1oz slugs
(10) 2 3/4" magnum 12 00 buck
(10) 3" magnum 15 00 buck
(10) 2 3/4" 16 #1 buck
(10) 3" magnum 24 #1 buck
through the 1300.
Still no problems (except for my shoulder!)
It patterns well, although I will need to pattern the gun better as this was not the focus of the shoot. (Got the gun now what ammo to carry.... will my problems never cease???)
We stripped both guns and agreed the 1300 is easier to field strip.
I was very impressed with the 1300 the action did seem considerably smoother and a lot faster, even when the 870 cycled without binding up. (I am biased here so this is opinion)
Zero problems unlike the 870.
8 rounds on the 1300 which would require further expense on the 870 and void the warranty, dimples right?
My buddy didn't go as far as to race out and trade in his 870, but he is thinking about it...
After this small, personal, un-scientific evalation I think I made the right choice in buying the US Repeating Arms 1300.
Then after reading that the shotgun is an FN gun (did they design it, or do they build it, I'm not sure) and is quickly being adopted as a quality police and military shotgun around the world. I like the pedigree makes me feel even more that I made the right choice.
Conclusions:
Weight: both agreed 1300
Controls: split (I prefer the 1300 he the 870)
Speed of action: both agreed 1300
Capacity: both agreed 1300
Reliability: both agred 1300
Cost: same
So FWIW thats how I spent some of my Saturday.
HS/LD
Paid $239.99 for the 1300 Defender 18" synth stock 8 shot tru glow sight., from Gart Sports (870 was the same price).
I friend of mine has an 870 in the configuration 18" synth stock I was looking at when trying to decided which gun to buy. So I convinced him to come with me to shoot the two shotguns. I had to bribe him by buying the ammo!!
400 rounds 200 winchester and 200 remington 2 3/4 12gauge target loads 8 and 7 1/2 shot. $14.88 per 100 at Walmart.
and assorted 2 3/4" and 3" slugs and magnum buckshot loads, mostly Winchester loads.
Up front the 1300 has the factory 7 shot mag, 870 has the factory 4 shot. Both are factory stock.
Winchester was brand new from factory cleaned once, the 870 has approximately 500 rounds through it and also had just been cleaned. My friend tells me the 870 was having a couple of problems with the action binding when racked to the rear last time he had shot it. Seems the left action bar is getting caught somewhere (not sure)... Seemed to cycle ok when empty before the range.
My friend intitially said he liked the action on th1300 felt a lot smoother and lighter than his 870. Also he liked that the mag was longer. (He din't like when I told him that if he got the extension for the 870 he would void the warranty)
Loading both guns seemed easy enough.
Shooting. I actually shot 5 rounds of the 870 first 2 3/4 target loads just getting a feel of the action . No problems the 870 was smooth and fast.
Then I shot the 1300 for the first time 8 shots. The 1300 is noticeably smoother and much faster to pump.! The un-locking of the action is pretty impressive. Handed it to my friend without comment and asked what he thought. Again he remarked with a smile that the 1300's action seemed smoother (I had not de-burred the gun yet, just oil) He wanted another 8 shots but I made him give at back!!
We shot 300 target loads without cleaning with zero problems through the 1300. One short stroke by me when I was trying to see just how fast I could get this thing to cycle.
We shot 100 target loads through the 870 and the action did bind again several times on this particular 870. (I have read about this else where on the forums and understand that there is a quick fix.) The slide would not move to the rear at all it seemed the harder it was pulled the more locked it became.That wasn't really a problem except for my buddy who was starting to get pretty pissed off!!! Trust me I understand that this is not indicative of all 870s I wish the 870 had not jammmed at all to make this evaluation a little more realistic. I was more interested in how the action felt and the balance of the gun. BTW the 1300 even with the higher capcity (unloaded) is lighter than the 870.
We then shot:
(5) 2 3/4" 1oz slugs
(5) 3" magnum 1oz slugs
(10) 2 3/4" magnum 12 00 buck
(10) 3" magnum 15 00 buck
(10) 2 3/4" 16 #1 buck
(10) 3" magnum 24 #1 buck
through the 1300.
Still no problems (except for my shoulder!)
It patterns well, although I will need to pattern the gun better as this was not the focus of the shoot. (Got the gun now what ammo to carry.... will my problems never cease???)
We stripped both guns and agreed the 1300 is easier to field strip.
I was very impressed with the 1300 the action did seem considerably smoother and a lot faster, even when the 870 cycled without binding up. (I am biased here so this is opinion)
Zero problems unlike the 870.
8 rounds on the 1300 which would require further expense on the 870 and void the warranty, dimples right?
My buddy didn't go as far as to race out and trade in his 870, but he is thinking about it...
After this small, personal, un-scientific evalation I think I made the right choice in buying the US Repeating Arms 1300.
Then after reading that the shotgun is an FN gun (did they design it, or do they build it, I'm not sure) and is quickly being adopted as a quality police and military shotgun around the world. I like the pedigree makes me feel even more that I made the right choice.
Conclusions:
Weight: both agreed 1300
Controls: split (I prefer the 1300 he the 870)
Speed of action: both agreed 1300
Capacity: both agreed 1300
Reliability: both agred 1300
Cost: same
So FWIW thats how I spent some of my Saturday.
HS/LD
rennaissancemann
New member
My favorite birth certificate cancellation device...
On the Pro side
There is almost no way to go wrong with your choice in shotgun. They are all good and will serve for their intended purpose.
On the Con side
People are pretty passionate about their shotgun of choice and you can lose sight of the forest for the trees.
Advising a fellow shooter on the advantages of practice seems like advising someone that breathing is a good idea... so self evident that it seems unnecessary to mention it.
You specifically asked about what kind of shotgun to buy. What spins your wheels?
I've had the opportunity to shoot a lot of different shotguns. Winchesters in models 97, 12, 1300. An Ithaca 37. Remington 870's and 11-87's. A Mossburg 500. A mystery Italian made side by side coach gun I used to own. A seriously bucks up over and under 12 gauge that was a real "wish 'em dead" clay pigeon shooter. Most recently, a M1 Super 90 with the works.
They all worked.
Personal Opinion... Buy what turns you on.
We could volley back and forth for days about the merits of single vs. double slide rods, the perils of short stroking vs. ammunition sensitivity, pump vs. auto, etc., etc., etc.
They all work. Buy what turns you on. You'll own a gun you love and enjoy shooting.
Regards
On the Pro side
There is almost no way to go wrong with your choice in shotgun. They are all good and will serve for their intended purpose.
On the Con side
People are pretty passionate about their shotgun of choice and you can lose sight of the forest for the trees.
Advising a fellow shooter on the advantages of practice seems like advising someone that breathing is a good idea... so self evident that it seems unnecessary to mention it.
You specifically asked about what kind of shotgun to buy. What spins your wheels?
I've had the opportunity to shoot a lot of different shotguns. Winchesters in models 97, 12, 1300. An Ithaca 37. Remington 870's and 11-87's. A Mossburg 500. A mystery Italian made side by side coach gun I used to own. A seriously bucks up over and under 12 gauge that was a real "wish 'em dead" clay pigeon shooter. Most recently, a M1 Super 90 with the works.
They all worked.
Personal Opinion... Buy what turns you on.
We could volley back and forth for days about the merits of single vs. double slide rods, the perils of short stroking vs. ammunition sensitivity, pump vs. auto, etc., etc., etc.
They all work. Buy what turns you on. You'll own a gun you love and enjoy shooting.
Regards