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AP: Video Contradicts Bush Katrina Statements

POSTED: 4:24 pm CST March 1, 2006
UPDATED: 7:49 pm CST March 1, 2006



WASHINGTON -- In dramatic and sometimes agonizing terms, federal disaster officials warned President George W. Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees, put lives at risk in New Orleans' Superdome and overwhelm rescuers, according to confidential video footage.

Bush didn't ask a single question during the final briefing before Katrina struck on Aug. 29, but he assured soon-to-be-battered state officials: "We are fully prepared."

The footage -- along with seven days of transcripts of briefings obtained by The Associated Press -- show in excruciating detail that while federal officials anticipated the tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans and elsewhere along the Gulf Coast, they were fatally slow to realize they had not mustered enough resources to deal with the unprecedented disaster.

Linked by secure video, Bush expressed a confidence on Aug. 28 that starkly contrasted with the dire warnings his disaster chief and numerous federal, state and local officials provided during the four days before the storm.


A top hurricane expert voiced "grave concerns" about the levees and then-Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown told the president and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff that he feared there weren't enough disaster teams to help evacuees at the Superdome.

"I'm concerned about ... their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe," Brown told his bosses the afternoon before Katrina made landfall.

White House Downplays Video

The White House and Homeland Security Department urged the public Wednesday not to read too much into the video footage.

"I hope people don't draw conclusions from the president getting a single briefing," presidential spokesman Trent Duffy said, citing a variety of orders and disaster declarations Bush signed before the storm made landfall. "He received multiple briefings from multiple officials, and he was completely engaged at all times."

Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said his department would not release the full set of videotaped briefings, saying most transcripts from the sessions were provided to congressional investigators months ago.

"There's nothing new or insightful on these tapes," Knocke said. "We actively participated in the lessons-learned review and we continue to participate in the Senate's review and are working with them on their recommendation."

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, a critic of the administration's Katrina response, had a different take after watching the footage Wednesday afternoon from an AP reporter's camera.

"I have kind a sinking feeling in my gut right now," Nagin said. "I was listening to what people were saying -- they didn't know, so therefore it was an issue of a learning curve. You know, from this tape it looks like everybody was fully aware."

Footage Conflicts With Official Responses

Some of the footage and transcripts from briefings Aug. 25-31 conflicts with the defenses that federal, state and local officials have made in trying to deflect blame and minimize the political fallout from the failed Katrina response:

Homeland Security officials have said the "fog of war" blinded them early on to the magnitude of the disaster. But the video and transcripts show federal and local officials discussed threats clearly, reviewed long-made plans and understood Katrina would wreak devastation of historic proportions. "I'm sure it will be the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done," National Hurricane Center's Max Mayfield warned the day Katrina lashed the Gulf Coast.

"I don't buy the `fog of war' defense," Brown told the AP in an interview Wednesday. "It was a fog of bureaucracy."

Bush declared four days after the storm, "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees" that gushed deadly flood waters into New Orleans. He later clarified, saying officials believed, wrongly, after the storm passed that the levees had survived. But the transcripts and video show there was plenty of talk about that possibility even before the storm - and Bush was worried too.

White House deputy chief of staff Joe Hagin, Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and Brown discussed fears of a levee breach the day the storm hit.

"I talked to the president twice today, once in Crawford and then again on Air Force One," Brown said. "He's obviously watching the television a lot, and he had some questions about the Dome, he's asking questions about reports of breaches."

Louisiana officials angrily blamed the federal government for not being prepared but the transcripts shows they were still praising FEMA as the storm roared toward the Gulf Coast and even two days afterward. "I think a lot of the planning FEMA has done with us the past year has really paid off," Col. Jeff Smith, Louisiana's emergency preparedness deputy director, said during the Aug. 28 briefing.

It wasn't long before Smith and other state officials sounded overwhelmed.

"We appreciate everything that you all are doing for us, and all I would ask is that you realize that what's going on and the sense of urgency needs to be ratcheted up," Smith said Aug. 30.

Mississippi begged for more attention in that same briefing.

"We know that there are tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Louisiana that need to be rescued, but we would just ask you, we desperately need to get our share of assets because we'll have people dying -- not because of water coming up, but because we can't get them medical treatment in our affected counties," said a Mississippi state official whose name was not mentioned on the tape.

Brown: Gathering Storm 'A Bad One'

Video footage of the Aug. 28 briefing, the final one before Katrina struck, showed an intense Brown voicing concerns from the government's disaster operation center and imploring colleagues to do whatever was necessary to help victims.

"We're going to need everything that we can possibly muster, not only in this state and in the region, but the nation, to respond to this event," Brown warned. He called the storm "a bad one, a big one" and implored federal agencies to cut through red tape to help people, bending rules if necessary.

"Go ahead and do it," Brown said. "I'll figure out some way to justify it. ... Just let them yell at me."

Bush appeared from a narrow, windowless room at his vacation ranch in Texas, with his elbows on a table. Hagin was sitting alongside him. Neither asked questions in the Aug. 28 briefing.

"I want to assure the folks at the state level that we are fully prepared to not only help you during the storm, but we will move in whatever resources and assets we have at our disposal after the storm," the president said.

A relaxed Chertoff, sporting a polo shirt, weighed in from Washington at Homeland Security's operations center. He would later fly to Atlanta, outside of Katrina's reach, for a bird flu event.

One snippet captures a missed opportunity on Aug. 28 for the government to have dispatched active-duty military troops to the region to augment the National Guard.

Chertoff: "Are there any DOD assets that might be available? Have we reached out to them?"

Brown: "We have DOD assets over here at EOC (emergency operations center). They are fully engaged. And we are having those discussions with them now."

Chertoff: "Good job."

In fact, active duty troops weren't dispatched until days after the storm. And many states' National Guards had yet to be deployed to the region despite offers of assistance, and it took days before the Pentagon deployed active-duty personnel to help overwhelmed Guardsmen.

Hurricane Expert Expressed 'Grave Concern'

The National Hurricane Center's Mayfield told the final briefing before Katrina struck that storm models predicted minimal flooding inside New Orleans during the hurricane but he expressed concerns that counterclockwise winds and storm surges afterward could cause the levees at Lake Pontchartrain to be overrun.

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped or not but that is obviously a very, very grave concern," Mayfield told the briefing.

Other officials expressed concerns about the large number of New Orleans residents who had not evacuated.

"They're not taking patients out of hospitals, taking prisoners out of prisons and they're leaving hotels open in downtown New Orleans. So I'm very concerned about that," Brown said.

Despite the concerns, it ultimately took days for search and rescue teams to reach some hospitals and nursing homes.

Brown also told colleagues one of his top concerns was whether evacuees who went to the New Orleans Superdome -- which became a symbol of the failed Katrina response -- would be safe and have adequate medical care.

"The Superdome is about 12 feet below sea level.... I don't know whether the roof is designed to stand, withstand a Category 5 hurricane," he said.

Brown also wanted to know whether there were enough federal medical teams in place to treat evacuees and the dead in the Superdome.

"Not to be (missing) kind of gross here," Brown interjected, "but I'm concerned" about the medical and mortuary resources "and their ability to respond to a catastrophe within a catastrophe."
Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

When you're hot you're hot!
When you're not you're Bush!

Rimrock
 
Blanco or Nagin couldn't in any way be responsible for the non-action could they ? Gee, if only they would have had 400-500 buses sitting around to evacuate people. Oh wait he did have at least 500 buses that weren't utilized to get an additional 25,000 people out of the city. It's alot easier to blame the government in Washington than to take responsibility for his own incompetance. There is enough blame to go around and I haven't seen him or Blanco take a bite of that sandwich. I guess maybe it's because it's not a free sandwich from Washington and that's the only kind they know how to order.
 
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Blanco or Nagin couldn't in any way be responsible for the non-action could they ? Gee, if only they would have had 400-500 buses sitting around to evacuate people. Oh wait he did have at least 500 buses that weren't utilized to get an additional 25,000 people out of the city. It's alot easier to blame the government in Washington than to take responsibility for his own incompetance. There is enough blame to go around and I haven't seen him or Blanco take a bite of that sandwich. I guess maybe it's because it's not a free sandwich from Washington and that's the only kind they know how to order.

Seems like most folks expected their President to have actually taken notes and taken action after being briefed. Something on the magnitude of Katrina clearly was a job for the Feds more so than a Gov or Mayor. Besides this catrastrophy extended well beyong their juristiction. This mother attacked "the Gulf Coast". So I guess we're back to Mr Mensa, man of the people! Let's see he was cutting wood "down ta ranch", his mom was suggesting they eat cake and Mrs Mensa was comforting the poor victims of Hurricane "CORINA" :eek: :eek: :eek:
If this family doesn't clean it up soon they'll be no more Simpsons for 'em!

If so many good folks weren't suffering and dying this would make a helluva sitcom....and OK Nagin and Blanco can have cameo roles in one episode!
But Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, Snow, Rummy, McClelland, Hot Tub Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff (do you name someone Jack with that last name?) and any other not currently in the slame get the major rolls.

Worst performance in a presidential roll.....and the award goes tooooo.................. the comedy ensemble of GWB & the Neocons:eek:

Attn Karl Rove: Be careful what you wish for you might just get it!
Political karma in progress!

Rimrock
 
Something on the magnitude of Katrina clearly was a job for the Feds more so than a Gov or Mayor.

Codswallop!

The Mayor takes care of the town, the Governor takes care of the state. That is what they are getting paid to do.

The job of the President is quite clearly laid out in the Constitution:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Disaster relief is enumerated nowhere in the Constitution. Meddling in individual State affairs is nowhere in there.

LawDog
 
It clearly appears the Federal Goverment was ahead of the game and aware of what might happen. Did they not make the phone call days before it hit asking the Govenor to call it ahead of time, was it not the Govenor who waited 2 days after before calling in the Feds. The Federal Goverment has no right or business to superceed the State Control, and when they are asked for assistance they are under the leadership and control of the State.

kenny b
 
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"Something on the magnitude of Katrina clearly was a job for the Feds more so than a Gov or Mayor. Besides this catrastrophy [sic] extended well beyong their juristiction [sic]."

As Katrina inflicted great harm across an interstate area, there is clearly a need for federal intervention. That IS what we have FEMA for, isn't it?

HOWEVER, events within cities and states are the 'juristiction" of those mayors and governors in the affected areas. If you are mayor of a city built BELOW the water line, do you NEED the Feds to hold your hand and tell you to head for high ground when a Force 3 storm is headed right at you? There is NO excuse for leaving buses unused and shelters unstocked. When, after you've failed to act, the police leave town or join the looters, you have NO AUTHORITY to order the survivors forcibly disarmed, making NEW victims.

If you are the governor of a state in the obvious, predicted and satellite-shown storm path, YOU have the authority to mobilize the state's National Guard units, order the state police to close off highways to expedite relocating citizens and make sure that there are shelters and working gas stations along the evac route.

The incompetence in this fiasco goes right up the food chain, but ALL politics is local. The real stupidity was in New Orleans and, like the toxic slick that oozed out from it, spreads from there.
 
When you call in the feds they take over. Blanko did not want to cede control, so she refused to call for help.
We are a Federal system. The feds can only intercede when they are asked/invited by the state. Even the mayor has to ask the state, to then ask the feds.
Even given the warning should we send in the men and material to the path of the storm before it hits? The stuff is positioned nearby, but held out of harms way. Damaged equipment is not useful to anyone.
FEMA has had the position for many years that it takes them 48-72 hours to move into the area. Placing equipment any closer risks it loss.
Nagin is an idiot who followed the plan (his governmetn drew up) and failed misserably.
Blanko is an idiot for wanting to keep control without the ability to solve the problems.

The 'model' predicted ~10,000 deaths. Since there were a lot fewer, it sounds like things actually went pretty well.
 
Not hardly

"Nagin is an idiot who followed the plan (his governmetn drew up) and failed misserably [sic]."

Really? The PLAN called for evacuations using school buses. The buses we all saw the photos of, sitting in 3 feet of water, unused. How was THAT implementing the plan? He ordered the seizure of private property without authority, creating a WORSE situation. What part of "the plan" was THAT?

"Blanko is an idiot for wanting to keep control without the ability to solve the problems."

In what way, manner or form did she impede people getting out or aid coming in? What kept her from utilizing those assets under her control (LNG, LSP) to expedite evacuation, transportation or preparation?
 
Maybe everybody should have read the Plan :eek:

In Homeland Security Presidential Directive (HSPD)-5, the President directed the development of a new NationalResponse Plan (NRP) to align Federal coordination structures, capabilities, and resources into a unified, alldiscipline, and all-hazards approach to domestic incident management. This approach is unique and far reaching in that it, for the first time, eliminates critical seams and ties together a complete spectrum of incident management activities to include the prevention of, preparedness for, response to, and recovery from terrorism, major natural disasters, and other major emergencies. The end result is vastly improved coordination among Federal, State, local, and tribal organizations to help save lives and protect America's communities by increasing the speed, effectiveness, and efficiency of incident management.

The NRP represents a true “national” framework in terms of both product and process. The NRP development process included extensive vetting and coordination with Federal, State, local, and tribal agencies, nongovernmental organizations, private-sector entities, and the first-responder and emergency management communities across the country. The NRP incorporates best practices from a wide variety of incident management disciplines to include fire, rescue, emergency management, law enforcement, public works, and emergency medical services. The collective input we received from our public- and private-sector partners has been, and will continue to be, absolutely critical to the implementation and continued refinement of the core concepts included in this groundbreaking national plan.

http://www.dhs.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/NRP_FullText.pdf

My favorite story

After the Aug. 29 storm left thousands homeless on the Gulf Coast, officials in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama began calling for trailers to provide temporary shelter. More than 100,000 were requested, and somebody decided to create holding areas for the trailers outside the hurricane zone.

Today, legions of wide-bodied mobile homes sit empty at Hope's Municipal Airport, a sprawling former military base. After all these months, storm victims can't seem to get the trailers, which are proving a mixed blessing to Hope

With the rainy season at hand, some local officials feared many units would sink into the mud. But FEMA plans to lay down a 290-acre bed of gravel for them to rest on, at a cost of $6 million.

Why cant they send these trailers to homeless hurricane Victims? Because they cant be sent to a flood plain :cool:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printed...0feb10,0,3366834.story?coll=la-news-a_section

Now If Dubyah says he is the boss here and has the power to do things, possibly even violate the constitution. Why cant he cut some FEMA rules out?

LOL...
 
I live 8 miles from where the eye of Ivan and Dennis came a shore. It was pretty easy. We were told to evacuate and we left. When we returned we weren't whining about what the govt was going to give us. We were too busy working on getting our stuff back together. FEMA came in and did a lot of good, but it wasn't expected as a right. There were a few folks who stayed and the local community looked at them as if they were idiots for staying after they were ordered to evacuate. If you live in a hurricane zone and don't have a plan to evacuate you're an idiot. You're failure to plan doesn't make me have sympathy for you it only makes me see you for what you are stupid, lazy or both. When you have a weeks notice of the largest hurricane in recent history and your mayor doesn't use every resource he has available to evacuate those who are unable he's an idiot at best, a criminal at worst. Too bad stupidity and imcompitance aren't punishable crimes, but then we would have to build more jails. At least they would get their government hand out they expect.
 
Sounds like we gotta get this boy a raise!
...and "W" you're doin' a heckuvajob!:D :eek:

Unfortunately for the country the incompetency question is being answered through actions or inaction of this regime on a daily basis. Like other report cards in life this one won't be good. The jury will reach it's decision and all the spin won't change it!

It's always interested me why some allign so closely with "the person" who is a temporary stewart rather than the larger concern for the country.

Would there be such defense if all that were different here were the names?
If all events were as they are except substituting the name Clinton for Bush. Would there be the "high fivin'" and passionate defense.

My point is, I love this country, it's institutions, and its citizens. It pains me to see it's assets sold off, it's standards lowered, it's middle class left for dead, it's constitution manipulated, it's poverty figures up, it's citizens in fear of air travel while our borders are enforced by a "wink".
The neocons always dreamed of having the whole thing under their control...The good news for them.... they got it! The bad news ..if things go south as they surely have, they must take responsibility....not Clinton, or Carter or Kennedy or Johnson or Truman. This guy had literally everyone's support after 911. He grossly mismanaged it.
...and before someone wastes energy on... "Clinton" did it too! Yep, free trade pacts were and are a disaster,always are for the country with the higher standard of living. That was truly a bi partisan tragedy. I openly and actively fought against it, him and the Rep house.
But that was then and Bush is now! If we don't all get on the same page for the real good of this land our grandchildren won't recognize this country.

The best Bush / Cheney will get now is to forever be known as the lame duck and the limp Dick! Which was never said about Clinton:eek:

Rimrock
 
If the feds had moved to repair the breaches in the levees when they first knew about them, instead of waiting several days, much of the flooding in New Orleans could have been avoided. Of course, if the levees had been built to spec in the first place, they may not have failed.
 
I can't possibly be the only one that saw Nagin's interview on TV where he said that the presidents urged Blanco to evacuate. And offered assistance if she requested it.

You know the one where he said he told them to go figure it out for themselves and tried to absolve himself of all responsibility.

This is old news, only the video is new.
 
But I do agree that President Bush shouls stop hiding behind and take responsibility for at least some of the carnage.

Oh wait
Bush, September 13, 2005,11:30 a.m.:
Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility. I want to know what went right and what went wrong.

Thursday, September 15, 2005,8:02 p.m :
"the system, at every level of government, was not well-coordinated, and was overwhelmed in the first few days.

Maybe he was inspired by Nagin

"I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. . ."

Oh wait a minute
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But I do agree that President Bush shouls stop hiding behind and take responsibility for at least some of the carnage.

Oh wait
Bush, September 13, 2005,11:30 a.m.:
Katrina exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government. And to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility. I want to know what went right and what went wrong.

Thursday, September 15, 2005,8:02 p.m :
"the system, at every level of government, was not well-coordinated, and was overwhelmed in the first few days.

Maybe he was inspired by Nagin

"I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. . ."

Oh wait a minute

Words are nice to the extent he admits he's out of most loops but folks were and are looking for some action and real live American know how to help those poor souls. GWB: "I don't think anyone antipated the breech of the levys":eek: :eek: :eek:
FEMA failed misearbly! The buck stops with who?.... Nagin?
Nagin wasn't on my ballot but Chimpy McFlightsuit was!

I'm bettin' this country can't withstand 3 more years of this abuser.


Rimrock
 
The buck stops with who?.... Nagin?
Nagin wasn't on my ballot but Chimpy McFlightsuit was!

I'm bettin' this country can't withstand 3 more years of this abuser.


Duh, you live in California. Nagin was voted into office in Louisianna. Let me guess Bush messed up California too. Because it couldn't have been Gray Davis' responsibility to tend to the state in which he was the elected governor.
 
but Chimpy McFlightsuit
The repetitive juvenile comments like this do nothing to enhance your credibility, it actually makes it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.
You hate Bush we get it
Now try to do something constructive.
Have you bothered to actually look uo the contents of the conference transcripts yourself, or do you always allow other to interpret things for you?
 
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