Uberti quality

...I too have carried a SAA with six rounds a few times, in the vary manner (firing pin between cartridge rims) that "he" does. It was done in the "old west" too. It's actually a pretty secure way to do it if you're going to do it. The firing pin would have to shear off in order for the cylinder to turn....
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I disagree with this sentiment. I have carried a couple Colts SAA's with the firing pin down between the rims, and have had them turn onto a primer several times. This was with a 45 Colt and a 44 spl. It didn't shear. To say it would have to shear to turn is not accurate. The holster was a half flap, there was no way anything grabbed the hammer and raised it off the rims to allow the cylinder to turn, it was just movement from riding motorcyles and walking that did it.

Your gun may not have turned, but a couple of mine did. I don't believe its safe or reliable. YMMV, that's my firsthand experience.

I haven't read of any historical accounts of it being done "in the old west", I'd be glad to see your references.
 
Your gun may not have turned, but a couple of mine did. I don't believe its safe or reliable. YMMV, that's my firsthand experience.
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Apparently your firing pins do not fit between the rims as well as mine do. Mine will not turn without raising the hammer. I tried.

I haven't read of any historical accounts of it being done "in the old west", I'd be glad to see your references.
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Read any good descriptive first hand account, or old interviews with Texas Rangers. I have seen numerous references of carrying fully loaded Colt revolvers with either the hammer down between rounds or with the hammer on the safety notch. Not saying every ranger did it, but several did. Colt revolvers were made to carry six rounds, do you really think every single person that owned one only carried five loads?:rolleyes: Go back and read post #24, my first post. In the direct quote from a book published in 1882, it is mentioned that "many" carry five rounds for safety. "Many", not everyone. To speak about history in absolutes, is kind of ignorant.

This is a photo of Texas Ranger James B. "Jim" Hawkins. Look close at his revolver. Notice the hammer is pulled back to the safety notch?
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How about a closer look.
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I would bet that there isn't an empty chamber under that hammer.
 
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Oh no, in the past he has in fact advocated six-up in a Colt SAA.
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I don't think I advocated it. In fact I know of several times I said I didn't recommend it. I do it and I see no problem with it but that's not advocating it. Not to my way of thinking anyway. I always knew you didn't like me Jim and now I know why.:eek:
 
I'll let your own words speak volumes:

I never hear of the load five and keep an empty under the hammer until I started reading it in gun rags back in the 60's. When I was young with my first SA(age 10)all the old timers told me to let the hammer down between chambers. That's what I did even with hammer mounted firing pins and I never had a problem. Not advising you to do that it's just what I did.
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The original sa's had a hammer mounted firing pin. Let the hammer all the way down and the firing pin rests on the primer. There is a safety notch but common consensus says the notch is easily broken and theoretically could be broken by a fall or a tee limb or whatever. Later guns have a frame mounted firing pin but same deal applies. Personally I think it's all B.S. and the likelyhood of it ever happening is about on the same ranks as winning the lottery. I've been carrying sa's for 38 years and always let the hammer down between cylinders on hammer mounted pins and bp revolvers and used the safety notch on frame mounted pins. Now I may blow a hole in my leg tomorrow you could drive a Mack truck through but if I do it's my problem and nobody's fault but my own. Remember always load five and keep an empty under the hammer. [Ed note: followed by the green "big grin" smiley meant to negate that last sentence.]
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Both from:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268655&highlight=safety

You are the number one advocate of unsafe practices in traditional SAs on this board. I don't like that.
 
Still not seeing where Hawg supposedly advises anyone to do anything.

I never hear of the load five and keep an empty under the hammer until I started reading it in gun rags back in the 60's. When I was young with my first SA(age 10)all the old timers told me to let the hammer down between chambers. That's what I did even with hammer mounted firing pins and I never had a problem. Not advising you to do that it's just what I did.
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The original sa's had a hammer mounted firing pin. Let the hammer all the way down and the firing pin rests on the primer. There is a safety notch but common consensus says the notch is easily broken and theoretically could be broken by a fall or a tee limb or whatever. Later guns have a frame mounted firing pin but same deal applies. Personally I think it's all B.S. and the likelyhood of it ever happening is about on the same ranks as winning the lottery. I've been carrying sa's for 38 years and always let the hammer down between cylinders on hammer mounted pins and bp revolvers and used the safety notch on frame mounted pins. Now I may blow a hole in my leg tomorrow you could drive a Mack truck through but if I do it's my problem and nobody's fault but my own. Remember always load five and keep an empty under the hammer.
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Yeah, they spoke volumes. They say you personally disagree with someone so you would silence them if you had the power to do so. Since you do not have that power, you "distort" his position on the subject. You sir sound like a politician. No where does Hawg tell anyone that they should do the same as he does. In many cases he advises others not to do as he does (as in the first quote YOU posted). Hawg states that he thinks the carry five mantra is bs, then admits, while he doesn't think it's likely, that it's possible he might blow a hole in his leg. Do you even read his whole posts? Also here's a secret, just because you think something is unsafe doesn't mean everyone else does too. A lot of folks in this country think all firearms are unsafe. So unsafe that no one should be able to own them. Should they be able to push aside and silence those that disagree with them too?
 
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I'll let your own words speak volumes:
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Hawg Haggen's words did speak volumes-but as MJN77 noted, I failed to see anywhere where Haggen advocated for anyone else carrying a single-action revolver in the way he does. In fact, he seemed to be cautioning against doing so for others: "Not advising you to do that it's just what I did." I still think he has a right to express his own opinion without fearing the threat of censorship. By the way, for the record, I emphatically don't agree with him.
 
How interesting

If I were Joe Sixpack, living in Toothbrush, North Dakota and just bought a single action six shooter from Joe's Gun Shop down the road, I would only carry 5 rounds with the hammer resting on an empty chamber.

However, if I were a Texas Ranger hunting bad guys on the Mexican border back in the latter half of the 1800's, I would probably carry six rounds with the firing pin resting between the chambers - that extra shot might make a difference.

What time frame are we living in, the present or the past? Has gun safety made any progress since the 1880's, I hope so.

The subject is interesting and have I enjoyed learning about firearms and their proper use from the knowledgeable, however, when the discussion becomes argumentative, it turns me off.
 
I fail to see where I advocated the practice. I said I do it and that I wasn't advising anybody else to do it. BTW I use that big green grin in almost every post I make.:D It wasn't meant to negate anything. I'm sorry you feel the way you do.
 
Ah, the old Ruger ad! Brings back memories! As a kid I wanted a Ruger or Colt so bad. All I had (until I got a job), was an H&R .32 Premier top break 5 shot. And my Dad insisted that I carry it with the hammer on an empty chamber.... just to be sure.

I read in one of the old Gun Digests about safety tests on these pre-68/70ish single actions, and the rule was... 5 bullets, one empty chamber. Otherwise, in drop tests, they might just go off. Not worth the risk, or liability. If I recall, Elmer Kieth advocated the 5 & 1 rule WAY back in the 1930's, and later on in the 50's when he wrote "SIXGUNS". I'll have to dig out my vintage 30's American Rifleman mags and look for the article.

Not trying to join a fight, but I have to back up Jim March on this one. As we have so many non-gun folks of all ages and ability who research these forums looking for information and advice, I think we need to raise the bar and ONLY advocate safe methods of firearms use / carry, etc. Safety comes first and foremost. Do what you will, but if it isn't safe, please don't post it.
 
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Not trying to join a fight, but I have to back up Jim March on this one. As we have so many non-gun folks of all ages and ability who research these forums looking for information and advice, I think we need to raise the bar and ONLY advocate safe methods of firearms use / carry, etc. Safety comes first and foremost. Do what you will, but if it isn't safe, please don't post it.
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Once again, please show me ANYWHERE that Hawg tells someone else to do what Hawg does. Just ONE post. Show one time that Hawg gives any advise about carrying a gun like him. I can show many times when he advises against it. One person's idea of safety isn't always everyone's. Like I posted above, a lot of folks believe guns in general are unsafe, and they sure try to silence us. Just because you don't agree with someone else on their practices doesn't give you a right to shut them up. Can we get back on topic now?
 
Jim, you went all the way back to 07 to dredge up those two posts in the same thread. I did not in either of them advocate loading six. I said I do it and yeah I said the odds of an accidental discharge from doing it would be about like winning the lottery but dammit man I still didn't advocate anyone else doing it. :p:D
 
Go search under your own username. Those are not the sole occasions, just the most obvious. You've been saying stuff like this repeatedly over the years and yes, I dislike it.

TFL is among the most "generalist" of the various web-forums, as such we get a fair amount of newbies through. Unsafe recommendations should not be part and parcel of what this forum is about.
 
to speak or write in favor of; support or urge by argument; recommend publicly: He advocated higher salaries for teachers. (online dictionary)
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I didn't see anywhere in the post from Hawg that he "advocates" carrying six in a SA Colt type gun. He posted what he does and has never had a problem. And if I were an old time lawman I would probably carry my Peacemaker with 5 in the cylinder. At the first sign of trouble I would thumb back the hammer and load that sixth cylinder. The Earps had had forewarning of a gunfight at the OK Corral and that would be a time when I would load six in the gun. (or maybe 8-10 like in the movies):D

I sure hope we can get back to talking about the quality of Uberti guns.
 
I have a Uberti/Cimarron and it is top notch. I had a Uberti Cattleman imported by Stoeger. The quality was there but the case colors were woefully lacking.

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