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TV FBI and Cops. Always carry in Condition 3?
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David Armstrong
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As I know him apparently quite a bit better than you. Again, John would never call someone an idiot simply because they felt in their situation that chamber empty carry was the best way for them.He would also say ... oh well since david says he knows him, I'm amazed how little he knows just what Farnam says!
Please, deaf, direct us to one of these quotes from John where he calls a Marine an idiot because of chamber empty carry. I don't think you can do it. I think it is another one of those things you just made up out of thin air.Just type in 'John Farnam' and see what pops up!
Yes, they do. Of course, according to somebody here, that means they are all idiots. I think sensible people know better than that, but that is why they are sensible and others, well.....I realize this isn't television but I do believe the Israeli's carry their side arms that way. I seen a deal once that shows they pull their pistol and cock it in one motion. Just pointing it out and not saying I agree or disagree
David Armstrong
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Teacupping is resting the base of your shooting hand in the palm of your support hand while shooting, like a cup resting in a saucer.What is 'teacupping'?
Deaf Smith
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Please, deaf, direct us to one of these quotes from John where he calls a Marine an idiot because of chamber empty carry. I don't think you can do it. I think it is another one of those things you just made up out of thin air.
http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2007/16Oct07.html
Right there david. Seems you don't know John so well, LOL.
David Armstrong
Moderator
Really? I've read that a couple of times now, and I still can't see anywhere that John says a Marine is an idiot for carrying C3.Right there david. Seems you don't know John so well, LOL.
Aside from cocking the hammer on the Glock which was mentioned earlier, I always got a kick out of watching guys rack the slide several times over and over again and never have a round eject. I don't think I've ever seen a Hollywood guy sling shot a slide either, but always use the slide catch. That's not in my book of tactical reloading, but on the same page as worn out slide stops. I'd also like to get one of those high-capacity (25 round) 1911 magazines I have seen in the movies as well.
Deaf Smith
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I think the other people here david can see what John thought of that two star general. After all, John, not the Col. is the one writing about how the Col. didn't want to argue with idiots. The Col. didn't say that. John did. And the idiot was the general.
You can quibble but there it is.
Guys, Farnam does not like chamber empty carry. Period. I've read his 'Quips' for many a year, and as he teaches the Marines, it's a very bad way to go.
He even got the Marines where he teaches to let them all carry fully loaded M9s to and from the range (and he had to go way up the chain to get that.)
More on how he feels.
http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/tactics/fantasyland-by-john-farnam/
You can quibble but there it is.
Guys, Farnam does not like chamber empty carry. Period. I've read his 'Quips' for many a year, and as he teaches the Marines, it's a very bad way to go.
He even got the Marines where he teaches to let them all carry fully loaded M9s to and from the range (and he had to go way up the chain to get that.)
More on how he feels.
http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/tactics/fantasyland-by-john-farnam/
David Armstrong
Moderator
Ummm, deaf, there is nothing in that article about carrying C3. It is about being ordered to carry an unloaded gun in a war zone.I think the other people here david can see what John thought of that two star general. After all, John, not the Col. is the one writing about how the Col. didn't want to argue with idiots. The Col. didn't say that. John did. And the idiot was the general.
deaf, what somebody likes or doesn't has nothing to do with it. I don't particularly like chamber empty myself, I just refuse to reject it entirely because it does have its place. And John actually recommends chamber empty carry for guns that do not have a firing pin safety or similar device to lock the firing pin in some way.Guys, Farnam does not like chamber empty carry. Period.
I am always amused by the proliferation of automatic weapons in Hollywood, or woud be if viewers didn't infer from this that they are all over the real world.
I also have issues with the way Hollywood protrays SMGs. First, the fact that they seem to fire for a full minute, or even more, from a 30-round magazine, and secondly, the fact that the SMG technique portrayed in so many movies and TV shows seems to combine "spray and pray" with swinging the muzzle back and forth like a garden hose.
I also have issues with the way Hollywood protrays SMGs. First, the fact that they seem to fire for a full minute, or even more, from a 30-round magazine, and secondly, the fact that the SMG technique portrayed in so many movies and TV shows seems to combine "spray and pray" with swinging the muzzle back and forth like a garden hose.
Deaf Smith
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Ummm, deaf, there is nothing in that article about carrying C3. It is about being ordered to carry an unloaded gun in a war zone.
You said he never called a Marine General an IDIOT, weither it's over chamber empty or not is beside the point. He did.
And John actually recommends chamber empty carry for guns that do not have a firing pin safety or similar device to lock the firing pin in some way.
And that's an obsolite and somewhat unsafe pistol (as I posted about exceptions.)
And david,
Here is another rant of his over chamber empty in the military:
http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2006/13Mar06.html
And he even calls the general in Alaska "a leftist politician, masquerading as a general" over CCW banning.
and here:
http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2006/19Feb06.html
He talks about sterial carry, the uselessness of the M9's decocker and how it should be left off safe and chamber loaded.
Deaf
David Armstrong
Moderator
No deaf, you are making things up again. Here is what I said:You said he never called a Marine General an IDIOT, weither it's over chamber empty or not is beside the point.
"Of course, John is well known for being a gentleman and a pretty classy guy, so I doubt that he would ever refer to anybody as an idiot just because they carried chamber empty."
--and--
"Please, deaf, direct us to one of these quotes from John where he calls a Marine an idiot because of chamber empty carry."
Carrying chamber empty is quite a bit different than carrying an unloaded weapon around in a combat zone. You might not understand the difference, as you never served in the military IIRC.
Then you agree with me when I say "And John actually recommends chamber empty carry for guns that do not have a firing pin safety or similar device to lock the firing pin in some way. " Thank you.And that's an obsolite and somewhat unsafe pistol (as I posted about exceptions.)
Again, nothing about people being idiots because they carry C3.Here is another rant of his over chamber empty in the military:
Which has nothing to do with carrying C3.And he even calls the general in Alaska "a leftist politician, masquerading as a general" over CCW banning.
Any chance you'll lay off the thread hijack and try to get back on topic? Or do we have to listen to more of this somewhat pathetic "lookee lookee I caught David making a mistake" effort on your part? Or I suppose you could just go back to trying to tell Marines how they are idiots.
David Armstrong
Moderator
And a third---there is never any muzzle rise/recoil, even when firing the SMG with one hand.First, the fact that they seem to fire for a full minute, or even more, from a 30-round magazine, and secondly, the fact that the SMG technique portrayed in so many movies and TV shows seems to combine "spray and pray" with swinging the muzzle back and forth like a garden hose.