TV FBI and Cops. Always carry in Condition 3?

for the record: FEDS are NOT taught to be in condition 3. Always one in the chamber and (if not a DAO) use the safety/decocker to lower the hammer (SIGs). 1911's are carried condition 1. Many FEDS are issued DAO guns. They're taught to always have one in the chamber. Movies/TV drive me nuts when I see some of the stupidity. I just have to remind myself that it's "only TV/Movies". :cool:
 
After watching several cop and FBI shows this week, I noticed that the detectives always rack the slide right after drawing or going into area of conflict. I know these shows have technical advisors from their respective real agencies. Do detectives and agents usually carry in condition 3? I also noticed agent on "Criminal Minds" cocking his revolver before sweeping a house. Is this the accepted procedure? Just curious, I was taught opposite procedures C1(auto) or DAO(revolver).
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Since these are actors, they may be doing this for dramatic effect.

Real policemen have enough drama already, so I doubt that they do this.

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Only an idiot carrys their gun chamber empty. Even if their gun is unsafe to carry one in the chamber they still are a idiot... cuase they had such an unsafe gun. Maybe 50 years ago when lots of guns were striker fired and had poor safety devices, but not now.

As for movies, 99.999 percent of them are very technicaly uncorrect (thank goodness!)
 
wjh2657

Just a thought, could this be Hollywood's interpretation of a REAL WORLD press check! They just don't really know what that is!

Good Luck & Be Safe
 
Its just done for dramatic effect, like fanning a sixgun in westerns.

Even when the actor doesn't cock the gun or rack the slide, they often add the sound in later ....

Remember "The Last Action Hero" where every time a gun was drawn you heard the slide racked or hammer cocked, even when nobody did it?

That was one (rare) example of Hollywood poking fun at itself...

As for chamber condition 3, many people trained in the military before the introduction of the M-9 that I know use it. Many people I know with kids use it.
Many idiots armed with striker fired pistols shoot themselves when they should have used it, or just bought a revolver...
 
When I was in the Marines, we were mandated to carry our 1911s in condition 3. When our unit finally switched over to the M9s, we were told to carry with one in the chamber and with the hammer lowered. There were no specific instructions about keeping the safety on or off, but since it was a DA/SA auto, we kept the safeties off. Well, at least I never got yelled at for it anyway.
 
My favorite silly Hollywood conventions...

When a revolver cylinder is open and spun you always hear it ratcheting "brrrrrr" even though there's nothing to ratchet with an open cylinder.

All the actors who hold a semi-auto with the thumb over wrist (where the slide would impact their thumb if they actually fired the thing).
 
The topper may have been a strange movie I saw (can't remember the name) about a secret high society club that bet, essentially, on contestents (some unwilling) playing a form of Russian Roulette, where they'd look away and spin the cylinder on their revolver----with the cylinder closed!--point the revolver at another player and pull the trigger when commanded.
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http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0475169/

Interesting movie, I just watched it Friday night. The contestants spin the cylinder while the hammer is cocked, then decock the revolver until the host orders them to aim, and with for the lightbulb.
 
I suppose somebody will tell me not to learn to drive by watching Starsky & Hutch or Dukes of Hazard.

Sheesh.

If it isn't real why would they take the trouble of filming that gun handling?

Bart Noir
Who is still trying to squeal rubber on a dirt road, like Tom Seleck did.
 
Actually, if you want to see the flip side, check out a movie called "The Way of the Gun". The handling of the 1911s used was VERY accurate, right down to the current number of rounds fired before you see the actors have to reload.
 
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Only an idiot carrys their gun chamber empty.
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Or someone who realizes that chamber empty is better for their particular situation. I'm sure all those military folks, and all those vets of real fights that still choose chamber empty, along with most of Israel aren't all idiots. In fact, one might suggest that the idiot is the person who fails to undedrstand that different folks have different needs or concerns than they might have.
When I was in the Marines, we were mandated to carry our 1911s in condition 3.
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I'm sorry, Brian, but somebody (see above) apparently thinks that all the Marines from your time are idiots. I think he's wrong, BTW.
 
I'm sorry, Brian, but somebody (see above) apparently thinks that all the Marines from your time are idiots. I think he's wrong, BTW.
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They are mandated by officers who don't want their precious career hurt if there is a AD/ND, david. And that's pretty much the only reason they mandate it. The Israelis did have alot of unsafe guns due to getting any gun they could (and thus they took the idiots route instead of spending some time training the people how to safely work their weapon.)

If you didn't know that well, google up and maybe you will learn something.
 
They are mandated by officers who don't want their precious career hurt if there is a AD/ND, david.
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Why dont you tell us how you really feel instead of making a completely unreasoned (and false) remark?
 
Why dont you tell us how you really feel instead of making a completely unreasoned (and false) remark?
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Clearly you have never heard of John Farnam, to just mention one, who knows all about this.
 
They are mandated by officers who don't want their precious career hurt if there is a AD/ND, david. And that's pretty much the only reason they mandate it.
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So now all those good Marine officers are idiots, deaf? How about all those hard-working NCOs and officers in the other branches who also carried chamber empty? I guess they were idiots also?
The Israelis did have alot of unsafe guns due to getting any gun they could (and thus they took the idiots route instead of spending some time training the people how to safely work their weapon.)
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So according to you those good, hard-working and tough-fighting Israelis were/are idiots?
If you didn't know that well, google up and maybe you will learn something.
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Maybe you should quit playing with google, deaf, and go and talk to folks who have actually had to use guns for a living, and those who have served in the military, and those who have actually been in gunfights, all things you have not done IIRC. They might tell you the real idiot is the person who tries to stereotype and denigrate others because they do things different or make different decisions based on their own situation and needs.
 
As for chamber condition 3, many people trained in the military before the introduction of the M-9 that I know use it. Many people I know with kids use it.
Many idiots armed with striker fired pistols shoot themselves when they should have used it, or just bought a revolver...
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Or maybe they should remember that all guns are loaded until they KNOW for a fact that it is unloaded.

I am so sick of people blaming the condition of the gun when their stupidity is the biggest reason for someone catching a ND.

My kids (very young) know that all guns all always loaded until Daddy (that's me,:)) clears it and hands it over. My kids also understand that the hole created by a bullet means their sibling will not come home after a shooting.

My kids have an understanding (as far as a child can comprehend) of the permanence of death.

I have very little fear of an accidental shooting in my home.
 
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Clearly you have never heard of John Farnam, to just mention one, who knows all about this.
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Well, I haven't seen him in about 3 years, but I used to know John fairly well, and I doubt that he would ever say that a group of Marines were idiots based on how they carried their guns. He might not like it, and would certainly suggest they look at the situation to see if that was the best response, but I'm sure he would not call them idiots. Of course, John is well known for being a gentleman and a pretty classy guy, so I doubt that he would ever refer to anybody as an idiot just because they carried chamber empty.
 
And John Farnam would say the GENERALS that mandated the chamber empty were covering their arse and they are wrong.

He would also say the Marines he teaches have learned to IGNORE the chamber empty carry.

He would also say ... oh well since david says he knows him, I'm amazed how little he knows just what Farnam says!

And Creature, there is this little gizmo called GOOGLE. Amazing thing. Just type in 'John Farnam' and see what pops up! He has been posting what he things for many years now!

And yes, he teaches the Marines to shoot. Imagine that!
 
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