tula 45acp case wall blowout.....

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......and yet my supposed POS taurus 24/7 handled this supposed POS tula ammo. :cool:

Mind you I've had over 1,500rds of tula 45 in this pistol. This is the first time this happened. I fired and the slide didn't cycle because the casing was stuck.

I disengaged the extractor and disassembled the pistol. Range officer knocked out the casing from the barrel. Fired 200rds more with no problem.

The casing had a long crack on the side that you can see light through. The crack is what caused the casing to completely expand against the chambers walls without retraction (being steel and all....).

Every time I see a pistol blow up with russian steel cased ammo, the pistol barrel had an unsupported chamber, or had fired OOB.

The taurus 24/7 has a fully supported chamber. Maybe that helped preventing the crack line from reaching the case web and blowing out. Who knows.....;)

I'm tired of morons blaming ammo for their pistols going nuclear.

In my instance of "tula failure", you can't blame the steel casing, tula cartridge works, or taurus arms. You can't blame any of that.

Sometimes during the manufacturing process of drawing the casing, I suspect the grain of the material is not ideal in some spots. As far as I know, there's no QC to deal with that. It happens with any material (brass, aluminum, steel) in any ammunition manufacturing facility.

If anything is to be held accountable, it's usually the firearm. OOB's are not an ammo problem. Neither are unsupported chambers. If a casing is fully supported in a pistol barrel and has a sufficient case web, even if you do experience a case wall blowout, it should NOT result in a catastrophic malfunction.
 
Is there a point/argument in this thread? Or just a rant that ammo makers are never at fault?
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The point is alot of gun owners are idiots who are just hobbyists that enjoy shooting at the range. They know nothing technical like those who enjoy firearms on an engineering level.

Before jumping to conclusion, ie: "Durr, russian steel crap, durrrr.....", it's best you have a technical understanding of firearms/ammunition design and manufacturing.
 
This guy can't be serious.
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plenty serious. There's no shortage of gun owners who open mouths about stuff they don't fully understand.

Why do people do that?

It's best to gain some knowledge first before running lip.

Given the new aluminum federal ammo available at wal mart now, I can't wait for the idiots to roll on in and talk about how "bad" aluminum casings are and how such and such's gun blew up or jammed or whatever non sense they want to say.

It's going to be fun. :rolleyes:
 
The point is alot of gun owners are idiots who are just hobbyists that enjoy shooting at the range. They know nothing technical like those who enjoy firearms on an engineering level.
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I see no reason to call people idiots just because they like shooting at the range. Plenty of people enjoy driving cars without knowing all the intimate details of an internal combustion engine. I enjoy a good beer but I don't brew at home. Your statement smacks of a real air of superiority and I frankly don't get where it's coming from or why. You had a case rupture. You didn't freak out. That means you're special somehow? How does that require an understanding of firearms "on an engineering level"?

Edit: I also have to add this. I think firearms at all price points is a great thing. It gives everyone access to an inherent right. But if a person were to start telling me how he understands cars on an engineering level exceeding that of the average masses, whom he calls idiots, and then tells me he drives a Pinto, idk, I start to wonder.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/09/26/brazilian-police-recall-98000-taurus-247-ds-pistols/
 
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Let's talk about semi auto pistol design, seeing how we're in the semi auto forum.......

These handguns have limited engineering space. Corners, sometimes literally, have to be cut in order to attain certain requirements.

This is especially true in the feeding angle and bullet-to-chamber distance. The distance is quite short for obvious reasons, being a pistol and all. That short distance of feed translates into steep feeding angles.

Some pistol designs, utilize a deep and shallow feed ramp in order to allow reliable feeding using many differently shaped bullets, particularly found with hollow points.

This design results in an unsupported chamber. When a round of ammo is fired with an anomaly in the casing that cannot be QC'ed, the results can be disastrous.

But people still blame ammo. I don't get it.:confused:

see no reason to call people idiots just because they like shooting at the range.
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I meant a certain group of shooters are idiots. I was just thinking and typing too fast.

i know I may have used some harsh language, but didn't mean to "attack". Also I'm not special, lol. I'm just saying some of us like the technical aspects of firearms so we try looking at problems differently and not jumping to any conclusions.
 
okeedokeee.....I was shooting with a friend, 223. when the manufacturer seated the bullet, they didn't flare the case mouth enough to fit the 75gr bullets into the mouth. it shaved off perfect rings of brass that built up in his chamber and caused a blowout of his lower receiver. the ammo manufacture replaced the broken parts and traded out his ammo after some testing at their lab with the broken gun and the before-mentioned lot of ammo. so......that was the ammos fault.

there is a national "factory reload" company. they had no neck tension on their, once again, .223 v-max. when the round chambered it sent the bullet all the way into the case, hair-line crack in his chamber. after doing several dry cycles with my gun, low and behold, the bullet got shoved into the case after every loading. who's fault is that? the gun owner for not understanding engineering?

as for tula ammo, its great, just expect to get a case stuck in the chamber every once in a who
 
I had a case split wide open on me once from Tula. It was with a box of .45 I was firing out of my Sig p245. All of the other 49 bullets ran fine but that last one just went kaboom. It was the last round out the mag and I got a lot of blowback powder all over me. Looking at the cartridge the damn thing was torn with a nasty jagged edge. I've never had that happen to me and it was terrifying. The gun was fine and I even ran another 50 winchester in it without a hiccup. I blame myself for running such low quality ammo in it in the first place. Had I been firing a Glock I'd probably be missing a few fingers. I don't think the Sig was out of battery or had an unsupported chamber, up until now I've just put it towards an overcharged round but who knows......
 
I disengaged the extractor and disassembled the pistol. Range officer knocked out the casing from the barrel. Fired 200rds more with no problem.
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You continued firing the same ammunition that suffered a catastrophic failure? Not wise.

I meant a certain group of shooters are idiots. I was just thinking and typing too fast.
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Then please think and type more slowly in the future. We strive to uphold a high standard of civility here.
 
You continued firing the same ammunition that suffered a catastrophic failure? Not wise.
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My pistol didn't blow up. Therefore no catastrophic failure.

I had a case split wide open on me once from Tula. It was with a box of .45 I was firing out of my Sig p245.
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I wonder if this is the fault of the thin case walls found on the 45acp cartridge. We need to find out certain things.

-type of steel used in russian cartridges
-shear strength of the steel
-quality of steel

I have never seen these issues with 9mm or 40sw. Or maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
 
I choose to not shoot steel case ammo in anything other than Com bloc firearms because they handle it just fine. I shoot only newly manufactured brass cased ammunition in my firearms and have never experienced a failure. I have never seen the logic in purchasing an expensive firearm and shooting the cheapest, lowest quality ammunition that can be found through it. Just my $.02.

I am of the belief that most catastrophic failures are due to faulty ammunition. It can be many things- bullet setback, double charge, poor QC, or improperly reloaded by an individual. There are definitely faulty firearm designs that cause catastrophic failures as well, such as the Caracal:D
 
lowest quality ammunition
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But this is not true, because you first said this....

I choose to not shoot steel case ammo in anything other than Com bloc firearms because they handle it just fine.
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So when the firearm can handle it, the ammo is good.

....But when the firearm can't handle it, the ammo is bad?

So when the early galil rifles were able to shoot russian steel cased ammo without a problem, the ammo was good.

But when the century arms retard galil came in with crappy American made barrels that caused case head separations, all of a sudden the ammo is at fault?

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With such an intimate understanding of firearms on an "engineering level", you'd think that you would have an understanding of why brass is better than steel for ammo casings.

Hint: expansion and contraction
 
I'm struggling with the fact that there was a massive failure with the ammo and then to keep shooting that same ammo (i.e. the same lot) seems really unwise. If there is a failure so bad that you have to take the gun apart to clear it.

Don't shoot that ammo again!
 
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