I hate to say it, but you guys are way of topic.
Yes, the discussion has strayed from the subject of realistic training.
It started to veer when someone implied that realistic training might take the form of unlawful aggressive acts in public. The discussion then went on to discuss different aspects of defenses of justification.
I started to stop the tangential discussion, but it became clear that there was value in discussing that subject also, just to make sure that no one went away seriously misled.
While I understand it is important to separate opinions from verifiable facts, two mods picking apart a senior member's comments is not what I believe TFL is about.
The point here is that misunderstandings involving the justification of lawful use of force can lead other readers to accept and believe things that are not true, with very bad effects.
The use of force, the threat of deadly force, and the use of deadly force are
very serious subjects.
We are not dispensing legal advice and a simple disclaimer stating as much should be sufficient.
It goes without saying that one cannot provide legal advice on the basis of abstract and hypothetical discussions, and that legal advice can be provided only by one's attorney.
However, it is incumbent upon is to provide the best understanding possible about the subject of the lawful use of force.
Not everyone can avail himself of a Mas Ayoob's MAG-20 classroom course, or attend any of Andrew Branca's state specific seminars,but we really do not want our members to obtain their educations as lessons learned in the criminal justice system.
We have a list of relevant articles in the L&CR Forum here. Some of the issues that have been raised in this thread have been covered there, and we try to keep it robust and as complete as possible.
I respectfully suggest that it would be with taking the time to peruse those articles thoughtfully. That's not directed at anyone. Heck, even some attorneys with offices within a mile or two of where I sit could use some additional knowledge in these areas.