Traditions 1873 BP

Craig: Lets start all over, I am not a newbie to guns. I have a smith that builds quality rifles for me,and has 30 yrs experience in his vocation.I am sure your post were well meaning.My question was about the feasiblity of changing a revolver from black powder to cartridge firing,nothing to do with your opinion about whether I should or not.I do appreciate your response,and all others as well.Trust me, I can afford to throw the revolver in the scrap iron bin if it doesn't work.Now that said,I am not,will, can't be a "Dude",to many miles under my belt. I see your a senior member. When and if I become a senior member will I be allowed to use the term "Dude"?I just think its a demeaning term,other than that,thanks for your input.:)
 
pwillie, dude is not demeaning. It was a common thing to call somebody dude back in the day. A little antiquated now tho. I useta call everybody dude or duuuuuuuude. My best friend was a trucker and his cb handle was dude. Craig didn't mean anything demeaning by it, he's just showing his age:D.
 
The point is not about "Dude" but respect. I have a name,and would like to be reffered to by it.Whats wrong with reffering to me by my name?.....after all we are civil,no?:D
 
Only a fool takes offense where none was intended. If you're offended by the use of the word "dude", you've got a long, hard row to hoe buddy. Is "buddy" an acceptable vernacular???

As for hacking up your sixgun, just bear in mind that we're here to share ideas, not to stroke each other's egoes and tell everybody only what they want to hear. So you won't always get the response you 'want', but you will get lots of honest opinions, many of which are actually based on experience and a little bit of common sense. You are free to do whatever you want with those opinions for they are worth what you paid for them, use what you can and discard the rest.
 
what's there to hack up.:rolleyes:..the only thing you touch is the the firing pin.and put a new cylinder in. and if you'd like to go back to shooting c&b. you just put the cylinder back in. and your set. you can still us that same firing pin...wow
 
what's there to hack up.
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How do you handle the enlarged firing pin hole? The firing pin hole is typically only large enough for the firing pin to pass through. When the hole gets worn is when primers start flowing into the hole around the firing pin. Thus, tying up the gun. We're talking about only slightly enlarged, you're looking at a hole far larger. This issue has been mentioned several times and has yet to be addressed. If one does a little reading, you would see that any of the original cartridge conversions used a different hammer/firing pin setup from the percussion version. Being so because the primer/firing pin is inverted from a percussion ignition system. Where with a cartridge, the anvil is within the primer, the firing pin must only pierce the cup. With a percussion cap, the nipple is the anvil and the hammer is just that, a hammer. You can't just switch back and forth without addressing that issue and ignoring it won't make it go away. Sure, you may be able to cobble something together that works so-so some of the time but what's the point of that? Other than being able to say that you sort of accomplished something that was deemed by most to be too silly to even try in the first place.
 
just for the record i'm not up set with any one. i vale you every one's opinion. but the fact remains this gun shoots 45lc 45acp and 44 bp with out any problems. and i got the uberti version in to day. i'm turning it in to a thunderer 38 357. i already got a 4in barrel for it. i just have to find some one that can change the 44 bp cylinder to shoot 36 bp ball's. and when i find some one that well do some nickel work for me. i well show you two stunning bp guns.
 
I do not have a Uberti, I have a Tradition(Pietta),and the hole is ok to use as is.The cylinder nipples or offset,if I change the firing pin,it will work both ways(This is according to the schematic).I have ordered the parts,and will report the fit when they come in,Craig,no hard feelings,and I don't like the term "Red Neck" either.I am sure most people on this forum have a pet peeve.As Rodney said:lets all try to get along.:D
 
I wish now that i would have gotten the R&D Conversion for my Uberti 1873BP SAA when Midway was sellin' them ...they had too lengths of the bushing at the end of the cylinder one was .120" don't remember the other one. Would have been easy but I think i needed the one they were out of stock on. Ain't that always the way it is. Anyhow the Uberti 1873 SAA and the BP are the same basic revolver. Hammers and the half cut out firing pin hole and the cylinder are the differances...At least the Uberti hammers have replacable firing pins and are held in with a pivot pin like the Newer Colts.
Just a pic of a diagram below. It can be reverse engineered if one has the apptitude to do so. It does not need to be a cobbled, bubba'd up mess unless you know not what you are doing...and if ya don't know jus' leave well enough alone and go do what ever it is in shooting that makes you happy.
Black Powder Guns can be like a box a chocolates...you never know what you got till ya bite into one... "Forest Gump"
http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/sh...d=23&cat=Uberti+1873+Cattleman+SAA+and+Target
 
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Smoke: I see you use a Gump phrase in your sig. The author lives down the road about 5 miles.....Tom Hanks got the fame,and Winston got the blame!Had little recognition for his work.:rolleyes:
 
Tom Hanks got the fame,and Winston got the blame!Had little recognition for his work
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Well Pwillie please tell Mr. Winston he did an exceptional job on the movie "Forest Gump" it's one of my all time favorites. Please tell him I admire his work and will mention him to others in conversation or while watching this movie... Excellant job mr. Winston and you are fasmous in my book and on this forum now world wide thanks to Pwillie.
Sincere thanks to you Mr. Winston.
 
Life is good with a 1858 and an R&D conversion cylinder, which allows both BP and cartridges with a quick cylinder change.
 
Smokin Gun - Looking at the photos of the Remmy, a couple of things look strange.

First, the front sight looks strange, but could have been replaced in the field. It's not like any I've seen in photos.

Second, there is no double-wing cylinder arbor-end, for cylinder removal.

I'm not a Remmy expert, but every photo of a BP Remmy I've ever seen has the wing-end cylinder arbor -- some rebated into the frame, some not. My only reference is "The Guns of Remington" by Madaus which has dozens of photos of this style gun and most (but maybe not all) of it's variations.

From the photos it appears the cylinder pin is extended out under the loading lever, but how would the cylinder be removed?
 
Second, there is no double-wing cylinder arbor-end, for cylinder removal.
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You are correct on the site and the cylinder pin...It seems that site was rpaced in the field in the 1860's probly, and i like that site better than the real one :O)
On the cylinder pin the 1861 vs the newer 1858(1863) there was a slot that the t handle and cylinder pin slid forward with the loading latch closed or up. In the Field during the War between the States a soldier Charging on horse or foot...maybe even unholstering the 1861 Rem the T handle would slide forward and the cylinder would fall out at an unopertune time when firing...a field fix was this longer cylinder pin. Then out came the New Model Army 58 in 1863 to remedy that problem.
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