Tracking Point $22,000.00 rifle you cant miss with!

Yes, as it sits the cheytech can do cold bore shots at 2000 yards, but you still need to know what you're doing. But what if joe schmo could do that the first time he ever fired a gun

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I was more speaking to the ability of even the damn-well-above-average shooter - which from his credentials, Machowicz seems to be - to shoot sub MOA at 600y in the dark is insane. Even the most weekend-y shooter, knowing the basic fundamentals of the shot as well as not anticipating and ruining a shot at the last second, could hit steel every time at 1000, I'd bet on it. Two and a half times that? Maybe not... But I don't believe that the TrackingPoint with an average shooter could win against a trained professional with even the most "average" .338 (if there even is one.) In dicey conditions, it might even be a hindrance.
 
But there is one problem with this setup. It might work out to say X amount of distance but at 2000 yards with a .338 Lapua the extreme divination of say 20fps causes 8 feet of elevation difference. It cannot calculate that, nor the temp difference in the barrel as it heats. We have yet to make a system that can accurately predict extreme distance shots. Remember the arc of a bullet at those distances are hundreds of feet above the bore. Lasers only go line of sight to target. The barometric pressure, temperature, and wind are all different at just a few hundred feet. It would have to measure wind speeds, temp, and pressure in an arc to the target while compensating in real time for varying elements. Gonna have to pass until they either perfect a hand held rail gun or laser rifle....

It is just a gimmick for someone who cannot shoot proficiently and has way too much money.
 
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I'd rather have a rifle that shoots when I tell it too. That thing may well bust a round down range when the wind's picked up.

CharlieDeltaJuliet, a .338 Lap Mag shooting a Sierra 300 gr HPMK out at 2600 fps has a maximum ordinate of 65 to 70 feet enroute to a target 2000 yards away.
 
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I know, I was giving absolute perfect conditions and a standard 10fps divination, then a maximum of 20fps as an example just did quick math at 3000-30020fps...
 
OK, I get it that the "bullet" sees the target (laser) and steers to it. This does clearly increase the hit probability. But it can't be a 100% guarantee.

The time of flight, over the distance involved, and the corrective capabilities of the bullet vs wind conditions means that there will be limits on the system's performance under certain conditions.

Certainly easier for the shooter, not having to learn how to aim to overcome conditions, just fire and forget, the bullet steers.

There are wind conditions where one just cannot be sure of a hit at long range. This system would likely up the limit on that, but I don't think it could do it under very high wind conditions, nothing can, until you get to artillery sizes and ranges. And there, the bursting radius plays a big part in a "hit" vs. "close.

If you can see it, you can kill it, has always been true, the new systems mean the amount of effort and skill needed to do that can be less than before.
If things work as advertised...
 
I think you are exactly right 44 AMP. It cannot correct for multiple crosswinds. I have shot at distances where more than one wind trajectory and speed plays a factor. Plus as I said it cannot take into account the barrel as it heats up, the standard divination in speed of ammo etc..

I still say it's a gimmick for people with big budgets..

Don't get me wrong I applaud their effort, but it still has other factors that need to be addressed before it is truly a "can't miss" rifle.
 
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OK, I get it that the "bullet" sees the target (laser) and steers to it. This does clearly increase the hit probability. But it can't be a 100% guarantee.
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No, it doesn't do that at all. The bullet does not 'see' anything. The scope uses a laser targeting system to get the range, and then uses an internal ballistic computer to automatically adjust the scope. It fires standard rifle bullets..
 
I don't think that's what he ment. Once you designate your target if the trigger is pulled the gun will fire as soon a you line your cross hairs up with the spot you designated.

I think he is referring to the chance of a gust of wind blowing at the same time the rifle automatically discharges and messing with your firing solution.


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I don't think that's what he ment. Once you designate your target if the trigger is pulled the gun will fire as soon a you line your cross hairs up with the spot you designated.

I think he is referring to the chance of a gust of wind blowing at the same time the rifle automatically discharges and messing with your firing solution.


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I think you're right. But if you are alr Ady pulling the trigger on that gun then you are ready for the round to discharge. It would be no different than the wind picking up just as you pull the trigger on a normal rifle.
 
Experienced shooters can learn to fire between wind gusts. The tracking point cannot. With tracking point the shooter would have to practice getting the gun back on target at just the right time.


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Experienced shooters can learn to fire between wind gusts. The tracking point cannot. With tracking point the shooter would have to practice getting the gun back on target at just the right time.
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It isn't difficult. If an experienced shooter is on the gun, he or she can get the shot to break when they want to. It's not like the gun makes it that much harder to fire when you want to.

I understand that the gun has its limitations, but the ability (or lack thereof) to fire between gusts of wind is not one of them.
 
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And now you are negating the purported claims that ANYONE can be a great long distance shooter.
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In what way? I never said that you have to be an experienced shooter. I am just saying that the gun doesn't limit more experienced shooters in the area of firing between gust of wind.... Where the heck does that say that you still need to be an expert to shoot the gun accurately? :confused:
 
I can't remember the post years back but I posted this very concept here on TFL. A scope and rifle with computer that automaticly computes the shot. You authorize the rifle to take the shot on alignment and it fires at the correct condition for you. No trigger pull involved other than to authorize the rifle. Glad someone thought alike and made it.
 
I wonder what happens when the wind changes the instant the sear releases the firing pin, hammer, or even sends current to the filaments in an electric primer?
 
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OK, I get it that the "bullet" sees the target (laser) and steers to it. This does clearly increase the hit probability. But it can't be a 100% guarantee.

No, it doesn't do that at all. The bullet does not 'see' anything. The scope uses a laser targeting system to get the range, and then uses an internal ballistic computer to automatically adjust the scope. It fires standard rifle bullets..
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I think we are talking about two different things here. What I was referring to was the info from the link, that showed the "bullet" (which appears to be about 4 inches long) track to the target. It literally corkscrews its way there, as it steers to adjust for the wind. A computerized sighting system on a regular conventional rifle is a different thing.

The way the bullet trace is shown, it appears that the bullet makes inflight corrections as it senses it is being blown off target. This is something quite different from a sighting system that takes the variables into account and adjust the aiming point before firing.
 
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