TP9 vs SD9ve

I, too, have SD9VE. After a rocky start (had to return it to S&W), we've developed a good relationship. The last 300+ rounds have functioned flawlessly. As a previous post said, I'm originally a revolver guy and don't mind the long trigger (my other 9mm is a SCCY). Would like to find a reasonably priced adjustable rear sight, but no real complaints.

OP - you listed 2 choices and a $350 max price. IF you LGS handles the SCCY, play with it too. Around here they run 325-350 and my CPX-2 (now my WIFE's) has run beautifully from day 1. It's also more accurate than my Smith.
 
I bought a SD9VE this morning from a local gun shop that had them on sale. I paid $289.99 + tax and background check fee and it totaled $307.xx on my credit card. The gun shop said it was one of their best sellers and I am very pleased with my purchase. I will try it out as soon as it quits snowing, the wind diminishes and it warms up to above freezing. It has been around since 2012 and the reviews and comments have been overwhelmingly good. They also now have a lifetime warranty for the original owner. It's really a very good copy of the Glock 19 and they pay a royalty for each one sold.

The documentation and specifications say it has a 16+1 capacity but I couldn't get but 15 in one and barely got #16 in the other. Maybe the mags will loosen up with some use.
 
There's a video on youtube explaining how to make the 16 rounds work. They show that it's hard to shove that 16th one in there but also to insert it. What they did was take the Mag apart and sanded down some of the edges of the plastic molded insert.

http://youtu.be/WPv8EWalv4c
 
I should of worded my post differently. I understand why it has one, but after owning several other striker fired pistols the entire set-up requiring a decocker is unnecessary. They could of made it a consistent DAO or SAO pull, but turned it into something more complicated and unneeded on a striker fired handgun.
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It is not unnecessary if you understand the system.

The original TP9 trigger system is a copy of the rather brilliant DA/SA Walther P99AS "Anti-Stress" trigger. It is not meant to be constant-action DAO or SAO trigger.

It is a DA/SA trigger in which the first single-action pull is longer when the pistol is cocked, providing an smooth, crisp single-action trigger, but adding an extra (and unobtrusive) margin of safety in a stressful situation (if the pistol has not been de-cocked to double-action). All follow-up pulls are short and crisp. As will all DA/SA pistols (such as SIGs and Berettas), you should de-cock prior to reholstering (hence the decocker).

The TP9 trigger, though, is nowhere near to being as smooth and crisp as the P99AS trigger.
 
I had a sd9ve about 2-3 years ago. it was a decent gun, kinda bulky and would have feeding issues on the last round in the magazine(prob an easy fix). but overall it was an "okay" pistol, did what it was supposed to do. the tp9 is much better in my opinion. in your price range I would suggest the sar k2p is a much better shooter IMO, it has a muc thinner profile than the sd but still similar in size to both. it is lightweight, ultra-reliable cz p-07 clone, worth giving it a look anyways.
 
It is not unnecessary if you understand the system.
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Like I said, I understand why it has one. The fact that it needs one makes it an unnecessary system overall. Glock, M&P, SR9, XD and the like seem to do fine without a decocker.

To be crystal clear, I understand why it has one. I know why it has a decocker. The system is unnecessary and unneeded when there are plenty of other striker fired guns that do not have it, because they don't need it. It s a safety precaution for untrained personnel. I know why it has it, but it's not the normal configuration except on an outdated design and the Turkey copy of it.
 
well when you have the guys that whine to no end about why you can't disassemble a glock or XD without having to pull the trigger(apparently these same people don't understand the hypocrisy that they have no problem with dryfiring. the manuals actually only say to use the decocker for disassembly so using as their intended use, they make a certain amount of sense but in the SA they create a glaring point of failure.
 
histed said:
I, too, have SD9VE. After a rocky start (had to return it to S&W), we've developed a good relationship. The last 300+ rounds have functioned flawlessly. As a previous post said, I'm originally a revolver guy and don't mind the long trigger (my other 9mm is a SCCY). Would like to find a reasonably priced adjustable rear sight, but no real complaints.

OP - you listed 2 choices and a $350 max price. IF you LGS handles the SCCY, play with it too. Around here they run 325-350 and my CPX-2 (now my WIFE's) has run beautifully from day 1. It's also more accurate than my Smith.
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I didn't want to mention a pistol outside of what the OP said he is interested in. But since someone else did, I'll toss in my 02¢.

I have a CPX-2 as well. I purchased it new for $275 and have heard of them going for up to $50 less. It's a great firearm with an unbelievable, lifetime "no questions asked" warranty. They'll even mail you the part if you like, instead of requiring you to send them the whole firearm. It's a regular summer carry for me. An easy to conceal 9mm platform with a 10 +1 capacity.
 
If you look around, you can find a Springfield Armory XD9 for that price or within $25. Even used, that would be a top pick.

I don't know what makes them sell for $350 occasionally, but they are a great gun.

Right now, it is $379 at Palmetto State Armory with free shipping....not bad.
 
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Next time I'm in the store I have the gift card to I'll see if they carry the Ruger 9E, Cpx-2, Sccy or what else is in my price range but these two pistols are what i've been doing my research on. To bad i'm going fishing tomorrow or I would stop by the store.
 
There's a video on youtube explaining how to make the 16 rounds work. They show that it's hard to shove that 16th one in there but also to insert it. What they did was take the Mag apart and sanded down some of the edges of the plastic molded insert.

http://youtu.be/WPv8EWalv4c
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Thanks Blindstitch. I knew something was not right and I will do the correction later today after I make sure it shoots.
 
mine broke six times in the 3 months that I owned it. went back to the factory four of those times. instead of offering to replace the gun after trip after trip after trip and so on, they just kept sending me a gun that broke. first it was the light strikes, went back twice for those, they got it down to about 10%, then the rear sight fell off, no biggie, they sent a new one. then the internal extractor snapped, they sent a new one, snapped again.....sent it back. frame pins walking out, owner told me to put the pins in a vice and slightly warp them, worked okay. oh yeah, the safety broke twice, they sent me a three pack for future breaks....awesome. always had feeding issues and light strike issues. I was a little po'd that they didn't just replace the gun after so many problems. worst gun ever. I really wanted it to work, I loved the size, it was extremely accurate despite the awful trigger. this was a cpx-1 which were notorious for problems, I have heard that they are smoothed out now, if so great. but they lost a customer and I cannot in good faith ever recommend them to anyone. there are cheaper guns that run more reliably. BTW...if anyone needs any sccy safeties, I still have a couple


CS was always nice and did what they could, but I deserved a new gun after all that
 
I don't wan to rant against a gun company that may have all their problems fixed now. I have read many good reviews about sccy in the previous year. I just don't want a newer gun owner to buy one, someone who is inexperienced with diy gunsmithing and troubleshooting. I just think there are better options. read your own reviews and make up your mind for yourself, sccy was only around a couple years when I got mine, and it ma be a great firearm now.
 
I haven't shot the SD9, but I do have the TP9. The trigger is kind of odd on the TP9, but one can get used to it. It is better in SA, though. Wish I'd known the SA model was coming before I got the older model…. That being said, it's been replaced by a P07 - better than either the SD9 or the TP9 ( for my purposes, anyway ).
 
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I don't wan to rant against a gun company that may have all their problems fixed now. I have read many good reviews about sccy in the previous year. I just don't want a newer gun owner to buy one, someone who is inexperienced with diy gunsmithing and troubleshooting. I just think there are better options. read your own reviews and make up your mind for yourself, sccy was only around a couple years when I got mine, and it ma be a great firearm now.
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I totally agree. I would say that my pleasurable experience has been because of their willingness to just send a part that needs replacement. I had my trigger bar crack and they had no problem sending me one to replace myself. That would have been a totally different scenario if the gun owner didn't want to or was unable to replace it themselves.

It sounds like you had a CPX1 and problems were not uncommon from what I understand. The 2nd generation I have has been great minus the trigger bar.

I appreciate you providing details. I get annoyed when people bash a product because their cousins friends uncle had a bad experience.
 
The system is unnecessary and unneeded when there are plenty of other striker fired guns that do not have it, because they don't need it. It s a safety precaution for untrained personnel.
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So you are saying DA/SA triggers with decockers are a system for untrained personnel?

Be sure to tell that to a Navy SEAL if you ever meet one, since the pistols they primarily use are DA/SA (SIG P226 and HK45C).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that they get a lot more firearms training than your typical Glock-carrying cop.
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So you are saying DA/SA triggers with decockers are a system for untrained personnel?

Be sure to tell that to a Navy SEAL if you ever meet one, since the pistols they primarily use are DA/SA (SIG P226 and HK45C).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that they get a lot more firearms training than your typical Glock-carrying cop.
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Agreed!
 
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