To those who prefer hammer fired guns...

As I've stated before, in my experience and in the cases I've read the majority of ND/ADs happen when people press the trigger deliberately on what they assume is an unloaded firearm. There are other types that occur (and I think leos are a unique group in this area), but the lion's share of what I've read are the type I just described. In that case where you've made a deliberate decision to press the trigger, whether that trigger is 5.5 lb. or 10 lb. really doesn't make a difference. If the weight of the trigger was such that you couldn't overcome it without Herculean effort than it would be no good to you as a defensive firearm. Another point is that in the case of a AD/ND you've violated two of the fundamental rules of gun safety in that you didn't check the condition of the pistol and in the case someone, including yourself, gets hurt then you pointed your pistol at something you weren't willing to destroy.

To me one of the biggest downsides to Glocks is needing to pull the trigger to disassemble. As someone that owns Glocks this is something I'm used to now, but I've read actual reports of departments switching to Glocks and this proving to be a problem for those agencies (especially if they had magazine disconnects before). In a state near me the police chief himself put a hole in his wall with his Glock because he was used to a magazine disconnect on the pistol the department had before. This is a training issue to be sure, but it's enough of an issue that many pistols that have released striker fired pistols in the past years have included a way to disconnect the striker or by default don't require a trigger press on disassembly. I think this is generally a good idea.
 
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Recognizing this is a training issue (BTW I also have three striker-fired pistols in addition to DA/SA and 1911s), the number of recruits unfamiliar with firearms far outweighs those coming to us with some firearms experience. There is just not enough time allotted to get these troops qualified - too many won't - and out on the street. And this is a money issue.

This is an interesting perspective. My understanding was that part of the motivation of going to striker fired pistols was that learning to shoot said pistols was easier than mastering the DA of DA/SA pistols (I learned to shoot semis on DA/SA so I'm not opposed to them). This in turn made it easier for officers to qualify in terms of shooting. But you bring up the point that those same officers might not have the trigger finger discipline that would be the goal and as such having a lighter trigger press can be a liability in terms of safety. Given the greater possibility of drawing a pistol and covering a suspect but not having to fire faced by an officer I can understand why you'd go the way you did. I'm not saying this can't happen in the military or with civilians, I just think it's more probable for a leo.

In fairness to Glock, you must keep in mind that over 2/3s of the police agencies in the U S issue Glock pistols to their officers. That said, it would figure that if an AD occurs odds are that it happened with a Glock. The data on its face will be skewed against Glock unless the necessary mathematical calculations are made across all police officers carrying whatever striker-fired gun makes carried.

I appreciate the even handedness here.
 
Simply put, the safety on the trigger design is less forgiving than other system, and more accidents result.

Safety wise... the hammer vs striker discussions is pretty much summed up here...

I went to the link you provided for the HS/Springfield copy and was amazed how much it looked just like the Springfield

It is not that they are alike, they are THE SAME gun :-) All XDs are made in Croatia in that factory. For the rest of the world they offer the HS9 model which is exactly the xd9 service model. We have both here in Guatemala... the HS9 comes in a flimsy box with 2 magazines. The XDs come with a lot of accessories... they are the same but cost double.
 
I own both, and I like both for different reasons. I believe that if you regularly practice & train with a variety of guns with different manuals of arms, then you benefit in the long run.
 
I believe that if you regularly practice & train with a variety of guns with different manuals of arms, then you benefit in the long run.

I agree with this, BUT, I also think it is important to choose ONE design/manual of arms and stick with it, when the gun might need to be used "instinctively".

Which system doesn't matter as much as being consistent.
 
I just naturally prefer hammer fired guns but without a manual safety.

So yes, DA/SA for me.

That first DA pull isn't an issue whatsoever. If I do need to take a precise shot after unholstering and I happen to have the luxury of time, I will cock that hammer to take the shot.

Up close and personal, I'm good to go with DA, SA, SA. (Triple-Taps) As I've trained extensively doing. From retention and extension.

The SA pull and even the DA pull does feel nicer than my Glocks.
But I do like Glock a lot. And I mean a lot. But they're not the answer to everything.

I've always been used to putting my finger on the trigger in tense situations or if I've had to clear a home, with my P226 or P229. I would not do the same with a Glock. Where I did have to clear a home with before, it was a Glock 41. I had my finger way up on the slide even after I saw someone was recently in the home that they had broken a window to get into.


So yes. Glocks ARE more unforgiving if you were to mess up and leaves little room/time to catch yourself and correct that said error. As opposed to a DA/SA SIG, HK, Beretta, etc.


Finally, I just shoot them better.
 
I prefer hammer fired because of typically nicer and smoother triggers, and i believe hammer fired system to be more reliable than striker, in extreme enviornments
 
Why?

1. Because I do prefer da/sa, especially if I intend on carrying the gun, using it for home defense, or using it to keep in my car while I travel.

2. With a hammer fired gun I can have the hammer down making me more comfortable with carrying with one in the pipe.

3. I like the feel of the trigger on good hammer fired da/sa's over the glock-action striker fried guns. Too much take-up, I don't like the trigger dingus or any trigger "safety" for that matter and when I used my Glock17 for home protection / car gun, I just never felt comfortable keeping a round in the pipe.

FWIW, it's not the striker that I object to. If someone made a DA/SA striker fired gun with an excellent trigger and a de-cocker, I might prefer that over a hammer fired gun.
 
Just a preference for me. DA/SA is my favorite setup since I train with it most and don't have to worry about external safeties. Just point and shot.
 
Why?



1. Because I do prefer da/sa, especially if I intend on carrying the gun, using it for home defense, or using it to keep in my car while I travel.



2. With a hammer fired gun I can have the hammer down making me more comfortable with carrying with one in the pipe.



3. I like the feel of the trigger on good hammer fired da/sa's over the glock-action striker fried guns. Too much take-up, I don't like the trigger dingus or any trigger "safety" for that matter and when I used my Glock17 for home protection / car gun, I just never felt comfortable keeping a round in the pipe.



FWIW, it's not the striker that I object to. If someone made a DA/SA striker fired gun with an excellent trigger and a de-cocker, I might prefer that over a hammer fired gun.



You're in luck. The Walther P99 does what you ask. They even make a compact.


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I forgot about the Walther P99 - I've never taken a serious look at them, but perhaps they are worth a look. The 15rnd capacity for a 9mm is a bit less than what I am used to in a full sized 9mm. Not sure why they chose to limit it to 15 rounds? I know, I know "Oh, well, then there's no pleasing you".:D
 
They do have 16 rd mags too. Grip length wise it's sort of between a Glock 19 and a Glock 17.


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As a Life Member of SNM-Sons of Neanderthal Man, I prefer old designs. I do quite a bit of dry firing using snap caps, recocking a hammer pistol that much easier.
 
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