Tips for shipping handgun to manufacter with UPS

[Dragline45]

I didn't say it didn't happen. I said it was a violation of UPS tariff to do so.

How so? It's clearly written in their regulations that shipping firearms is perfectly fine.

Do you have a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account? If not, then you violated their tariff.

Even if that's the case, I am assuming most major firearm manufacturers do. I have sent guns back to Beretta, S&W, and Sig. Along with receiving a UPS pre-paid shipping label from them, they scheduled a pickup for me at my home. In that case I did not violate their tariff.

 

[dogtown tom]

Dragline45

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I didn't say it didn't happen. I said it was a violation of UPS tariff to do so.

How so? It's clearly written in their regulations that shipping firearms is perfectly fine.

"How so?"...........well duh........it's right there in the stuff you quoted from UPS.
Shipping firearms isn't the question, it's how you went about it that violated their policy.

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Do you have a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account? If not, then you violated their tariff.

Even if that's the case, I am assuming most major firearm manufacturers do. I have sent guns back to Beretta, S&W, and Sig. Along with receiving a UPS pre-paid shipping label from them, they scheduled a pickup for me at my home. In that case I did not violate their tariff.

Seriously?
You're going to tell us that Beretta, S&W and Sig magically scheduled your pickup with UPS? They knew when you would have that box ready to go? Sending you a shipping label isn't the same as scheduling a pickup.

That's real odd considering YOU wrote above that YOU called UPS for the pickup.
Get your story straight.

 

[Dragline45]

Seriously?
You're going to tell us that Beretta, S&W and Sig magically scheduled your pickup with UPS? They knew when you would have that box ready to go? Sending you a shipping label isn't the same as scheduling a pickup.

Here is the email I received prior to the pickup being setup.

Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support. Based upon what you have told us, we believe that it would be best if one of our factory-trained technicians diagnosed your firearm. You can generate a complimentary UPS Call Tag by clicking this link or copying and pasting it into your browser: http://returns.upsrow.com/ Enter the Login ID of "xxxxxxx" and the Password of "xxxxxxx" Once you have entered our UPS Call Tag Generation application, please read and follow the instructions to generate a call tag and ship your firearm. Please select the Beretta USA Corp for the Ship To location. If you enter your e-mail address when generating your shipping request, you will receive a delivery confirmation as well as a shipment confirmation e-mail when your firearm is received and shipped by Beretta.


When clicking that link and entering the ID and password this is what pops up

Followed by this form I filled out.

This was the confirmation email I was sent after filling out the form above.

Notice at the top of the confirmation email below it says the email was sent to me at the request of B USA Returns which refers to Beretta USA Returns. Upon completing the online form a UPS shipping label was sent to my home along with a number I could enter online to tell me when I could expect the driver to show up at my home for pickup. I happened to have a bunch of UPS shipping boxes already at my house since I needed them for work, so I packed it up in one of those, slapped on a shipping label, and handed it to the driver when he showed up at my home.

That's real odd considering YOU wrote above that YOU called UPS for the pickup.
Get your story straight.

Really now? Here are quotes from my four posts in this thread.

I have had to send guns back to S&W, Beretta, and Sig. Each time I was sent a UPS shipping label with a scheduled pickup right to my home.

Actually each time I was sent a UPS shipping label from a manufacturer they set up the pickup for me.

The most recent was just a few months ago. I was sent a UPS shipping label from Beretta, Beretta set a pickup date for my handgun, I handed it off to the driver, and a couple months later it was on my doorstep.

Along with receiving a UPS pre-paid shipping label from them, they scheduled a pickup for me at my home.

 

[dogtown tom]

Uh.........Beretta isn't UPS.

I posted EXACTLY what is in UPS tariffs.
You didn't follow them.

End of story.

 

[Dragline45]

Uh.........Beretta isn't UPS.

I posted EXACTLY what is in UPS tariffs.
You didn't follow them.

End of story.

Are you serious right now? You claimed that Beretta did not set up the pickup from my home for me with UPS, I gave you clear proof that they did. You claimed that I said I called UPS to set up the shipping, I gave you clear proof that I didn't.

Once again, according to UPS.

UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation only (a) between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), and government agencies and (b) where not otherwise prohibited by federal, state or local law (i) from an individual to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector; and (ii) from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to an individual.

Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities).


To claim that I did not follow their tariffs is beyond me. Beretta, a multimillion dollar corporation with more lawyers on retainer than you can imagine are far more knowledgeable about this topic than you are. To imply that they are illegally shipping and receiving handguns through UPS is ridiculous. Even reading UPS's shipping policies clearly states everything I and Beretta have done falls well within their guidelines. You clearly don't have a grasp on this whole thing as well as you think you do.

Beretta set up the pickup for me with UPS, UPS states that they accept firearms. As you put it, END OF STORY.

Now I see what JohnKSa was talking about with your comments being oblique, not only that but you are extremely stubborn to the point that it's not even worth arguing this topic further with you. Like Johnska also said, seeing as we seem to not be speaking the same language, I am also going to bow out.

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[dogtown tom]

Dragline45

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Originally Posted by dogtown tom
Uh.........Beretta isn't UPS.

I posted EXACTLY what is in UPS tariffs.
You didn't follow them.

End of story.

To claim that I did not follow their tariffs is beyond me.

1. Read the UPS policy above that you claim you didn't violate.
2. You don't have a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account do you?
3. Beretta isn't UPS and doesn't dictate UPS tariffs.
4. You didn't adhere to the very policy you quoted above.

Beretta, a multimillion dollar corporation with more lawyers on retainer than you can imagine are far more knowledgeable about this topic than you are. To imply that they are illegally shipping and receiving handguns through UPS is ridiculous.

I never said what you (or Beretta) did was illegal, only that doing so violates UPS tariffs and policy.

Even reading UPS's shipping policies clearly states everything I and Beretta have done falls well within their guidelines. You clearly don't have a grasp on this whole thing as well as you think you do.

I don't know if English is your native language or if its a comprehension problem. If you read the following passage from the UPS tariff (that both of us have posted several times) and answer which option you chose:

Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities).

Do you have a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account?
UPS then SPECIFICALLY describes which types of SPA's are included. If you don't have a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account then your only other option is through a UPS Customer Service Center.

Beretta set up the pickup for me with UPS, UPS states that they accept firearms. As you put it, END OF STORY.

Whether Beretta scheduled your pickup is immaterial. You didn't follow either of the only two options available under UPS tariff. Further Beretta violated UPS tariff by using UPS Returns for the label they sent you (do ya see a pattern here?)

Here's the UPS Firearms page in its entirety. I'll bold text the parts that you and Beretta violated and add my comments in red.
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/packaging/guidelines/firearms.html?srch_pos=3&srch_phr=handgun

Shipping Firearms or Ammunition
Shipping Firearms or Ammunition



Special Procedures for Shipping Firearms
UPS accepts packages containing firearms (as defined by Title 18, Chapter 44, and Title 26, Chapter 53 of the United States Code) for transportation only (a) between licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, and licensed collectors (as defined in Title 18, Chapter 44 of the United States Code), and government agencies and (b) where not otherwise prohibited by federal, state or local law (i) from an individual to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector; and (ii) from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to an individual.

The shipper must comply with and must ensure that each shipment containing firearms complies with all federal, state and local laws applicable to the shipper, recipient, and package, including, without limitation, age restrictions.




Use These UPS Services for Your Firearm Shipment
Handguns, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921, will be accepted for transportation only via UPS Next Day Air Services, specifically, UPS Next Day Air® Early A.M.®, UPS Next Day Air®, and UPS Next Day Air Saver®. (Note: UPS Express CriticalSM Service is not available for firearms).

UPS accepts firearm parts for shipment, provided the part is not a "firearm" as defined under federal law; the contents of the package cannot be assembled to form a firearm; and the package otherwise complies with federal, state, and local law. (Note: Receivers or frames of a firearm are considered "firearms" and are accepted for transportation only if shipped in accordance with UPS's requirements for shipping firearms; firearm mufflers and silencers are not accepted for transportation.)

UPS does not accept automatic weapons, including machine guns, for shipment. Firearms (including handguns) and firearm parts are not accepted for shipment internationally. UPS Returns® Services are not available for packages containing firearms. Any argument here? From the looks of the Beretta notice they used UPS Returns.




Packing and Labeling Requirements for Firearms
All firearms must be shipped in new corrugated packaging which meets the UPS Single Wall Box Strength Guidelines.

All firearms are to be packaged in accordance with UPS Packaging Guideline Specifications. Ammunition must be shipped separately from packages that contain firearms (including handguns).

Packages containing handguns must be separated from other packages tendered to UPS for delivery.

The shipper must use Delivery Confirmation Adult Signature Required service for each package containing a firearm, including a handgun, and affix a UPS label requesting an adult signature upon delivery.

The labeling and outer box markings on all firearms shipments should not identify the contents as containing a firearm. Labeling, including the shipper's and consignee's abbreviated names on the shipping label or air shipping document, must be non-descriptive.




Getting Your Firearm Shipment to UPS
Firearms (including handguns) may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account (specifically, Daily Pickup, Daily On-Route Pickup, UPS Smart Pickup®, and Day-Specific Pickup), Do you have such an account with UPS? If not you can't use this service. or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Firearms (including handguns) are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes, UPS On-Call Pickup®, or at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer.


When you are shipping a package that contains a handgun, you must verbally notify the UPS driver or UPS Customer Center clerk.

See the UPS Tariff/Terms and Conditions of Service - United States for information regarding firearm and ammunition shipments.

Yeah I'm stubborn.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Enough bickering. This thread is now closed.

It contains valuable information, but no further discussion is really necessary.